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CW politics

[(Anonymous)]

Under this comment because it's going to be an ugly vent of my feelings.

Re: CW politics

[(Anonymous)]

I fucking hate Bernie Sanders at this point and the stupid ass cult of personality around him. He's just No Hearts Left Trump. People care more about being morally superior than keeping Trump out and are willing to blame anyone but themselves for Bernie losing. And before people start I preferred Bernie. Liked Warren more, but I voted for Bernie. But these basic ass privileged bitches and cult members care more about their Dear Leader than actually keeping Trump out and are willing to let people die to teach us a lesson. I am a minority fearing for my goddamn life and knowing I probably won't survive a second term of Trump the Dump. But these brainless Puritanical asswipes care way too much about their morals than anything else and are lacking in any and all self awareness and I feel sorry for the people they will inevitably watch die in their lives that they'll blame it on everyone else but themselves for not knuckling up and voting the only way that makes any fucking sense right now in our stupid ass system that only works with two parties.

Re: CW politics

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah the conspiracy theorist in me wonders if these assholes are just manufactured by the people who want Trump to be elected, like I know they're not but nothing can make people turn from a standpoint quicker than a cultist following filled with try hards who throw a fit and blame everyone else when their 'leader' isn't perfect. I honestly feel bad for Bernie since these people aren't helping him and are causing a lot, if not most, of the hate directed towards him. I don't follow US politics since I'm depressed enough as it is, but yeah, from what I've been hearing it's just the last election all over again... Like fuck, the world won't survive another year with that orange fucker around, how fucked up do you have to be not to see that...

Re: CW politics

[(Anonymous)]

That's not a bad theory, or even remotely out of the realm of possibility. It happened before, might be happening again. Of course, it might just be the more aggressive Bernie supporters acting up, or even a mix of the two. A house divided against itself cannot stand. Who benefits most from our being divided?

Re: CW politics

[(Anonymous)]

lmfao

Re: CW politics

[(Anonymous)]

I still prefer Bernie (voted for him too), but to be honest, I agree with a lot of your post. It's infuriating that people think they still have a choice, that they're willing to risk the future of this country, the future of the people that will be impacted by four more years of the current shit show, because it's more important to them that THEIR guy gets elected. Any time I see "Oh, I'm just gonna write in Bernie!" or "meh, I'm just gonna sit this one out, knowing I'm just throwing in the towel!" I just have to bite on something to keep the rage from spewing out all fkasfsd;fjhow fucking out of touch are you with reality you stupid fajdskfjiwtgfahdklsjfkjkldf

phew

I've decided to take a step back from interacting with those kinds of people or reading their "wisdom" of how Biden is equally as bad Trump, how he's not viable (because it has nothing to do with people choosing not to vote, and it's not like Biden'll choose anybody good for his team, right? *eyeroll*). I'm probably being charitable when I say this, but I think most of Bernie's supporters are sane, and the loudest ones are an annoying minority.

That said, at the moment, Bernie is still keep his name on ballots despite ending his campaign. I guess that means there's a chance it could go either way, but who knows. Whoever wins and ends up the Democratic nominee, I will vote for. The only way I will write in anybody is if something insane and unforeseen happens (and I hope to a million deities and their mothers that nothing does). I don't like the two-party tug of war, but this year, there's something far, far more important and it's pretty damn urgent.

Re: CW politics

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah pretty much. I just... Reached the end of my rope. I prefer Bernie! I voted for him! But it feels like there's a cult-like mentality around him that if HE can't win, no one can. And I needed to just spew my anger at this situation because it's not likely I'll survive another four years of Trump and no matter how much I plea to please, think of people like me, I'm treated like I'm stupid and I'll still die under Biden.

Re: CW politics

[(Anonymous)]

I think the number of people who are genuinely committed to not voting for Biden, and who are doing so specifically because of the Sanders campaign, is very small and not likely to make a significant difference in an election. These are not people who are democratic voters; these are mostly people who are outside the Democratic Party.

Second, the disappointment and criticism of Biden from people on the left is real, legitimate, and frankly very well justified, and I do not agree in the slightest with the idea that everybody has to keep shut up about that disappointment or pretend that we aren't disappointed. And that's a lot of what I'm seeing, frankly - anger at people who are disappointed in Biden or don't like Biden, under the cloak of arguing that Biden is better than Trump. For Pete's sake, being better than Trump is the lowest bar imaginable. Mitt Romney is better than Trump. Nominating Biden is a failure by the Democratic Party, period. And it's especially egregious IMO when you turn it directly into attacks on the kind of people that you imagine support Bernie.

Third, preemptively blaming Biden's defeat on the left is dumb. If nothing else, when you're preemptively assigning blame, at least briefly consider the insanity of Democratic Party apparatchiks deciding to nominate a candidate with the same broad policies and coalition as Hillary Clinton without pondering for more than 5 minutes the fact that Hillary Clinton lost.

SA

[(Anonymous)]

And another thing - if you really and truly believe that it's impossible for a Dem presidential candidate to win the election without Bernie supporters, that makes it even more of an outrageous, ridiculous, insane failure that the center of the party coalesced around Joe Biden being the nominee. The idea that you can simultaneously think that, and also think that nominating Joe Biden is a reasonable thing for the Democratic Party to do and it makes no sense for people to get mad about it, is almost inconceivable to me.

Re: CW politics

[(Anonymous)]

Hillary won the fucking popular vote, dude. If not for the electoral system deciding that a woman shouldn't be in charge, she would be President.

Re: CW politics

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think that the electoral college is a good system, and there are lots of good critiques to be made of it, and we should get rid of it. But we haven't gotten rid of it, so winning the electoral college is an important goal for 2020, it seems to me.

[(Anonymous)]

Found the Bernie Bro.

[(Anonymous)]

For what it's worth, I had the same general attitude towards the primary as OP did - I voted for Bernie but Warren was my preferred candidate. By a lot, honestly.

Re: CW politics

[(Anonymous)]

She only lost because of the Electoral College, though. She won the popular vote by a significant amount.

Re: CW politics

[(Anonymous)]

I accept that this is true but I don't think it has much relevance for the 2020 election.

Re: CW politics

[(Anonymous)]

I don’t get blaming the Democratic Party bigwigs for Biden. Was he materially helped by the party leaders? Yeah, sure. But people still had to actually vote for him to get that far. I personally think he’s a shitty candidate and am glad I got to vote for Warren before she dropped out; I voted for Bernie in the 2016 primary. I get being frustrated with the DNC and stuff, but I can also see why someone who promises to bring back the status quo would appeal to a lot of voters. Not me, but people who never really paid attention to politics before (often because they’d be fine no matter who was in office) the Chump and would prefer a candidate who was just kind of there that they could go back to ignoring.

Like, if Chump was a fast food meal full of rancid grease and Biden was a bowl of cornflakes or something.

I was just too young to vote in the election that put Bush II in office, but I threatened to hit a political science classmate with a chair for writing “God Bless Texas” on the blackboard the morning after the election. I knew a few Nader voters, and I was almost as frustrated with them as with Republicans, so the Bernie thing is familiar.

I get being sick of waiting for incremental change under establishment politicians who have to have 90% of their voters and 100% of their rich donors yelling about something before they’ll lift a finger.

But I also feel like people who can afford not to vote because their preferred candidate didn’t make it far enough are privileged. If I were handcuffed to a pole, it would be nice for someone to come along with a key and let me out. But I personally would also be fine with someone with a bobby pin or even bolt cutters that would leave me with handcuff bracelets but able to walk away. Bernie voters planning not to vote feels like people who’ve never been handcuffed making the decision to leave everyone else cuffed to poles in a damp cold basement somewhere.

One of the reasons I feel like the Bernie or Bust crowd can’t be that big is that a lot of Bernie voters are way worse off under a Chump presidency than they would be under a Biden one—people who are in the crosshairs of the current administration are more likely to vote for Biden than sit the general election out.

Re: CW politics

[(Anonymous)]

But I also feel like people who can afford not to vote because their preferred candidate didn’t make it far enough are privileged. If I were handcuffed to a pole, it would be nice for someone to come along with a key and let me out. But I personally would also be fine with someone with a bobby pin or even bolt cutters that would leave me with handcuff bracelets but able to walk away. Bernie voters planning not to vote feels like people who’ve never been handcuffed making the decision to leave everyone else cuffed to poles in a damp cold basement somewhere.

Ding ding ding

If they're not privileged, then at least subconsciously, they believe themselves to be. Because if they feel they still have room to go "oh, well, I know it's throwing my vote, buuuuuuuuuut..." then they've never been desperate, and don't know what it's like to be up against the wall (or handcuffed to a to a pole, using your words). And quite frankly, they don't give a shit what happens to the rest of the country, now or in the future.

Re: CW politics

[(Anonymous)]

I don’t get blaming the Democratic Party bigwigs for Biden. Was he materially helped by the party leaders? Yeah, sure. But people still had to actually vote for him to get that far.

He won one primary before the entire party establishment coalesced around him overnight. There was a conscious choice to coalesce around Biden, they didn't have to do it, they could have taken other courses of action. That's politics but I think it's reasonable to think that it was a poor decision on their part.

I can also see why someone who promises to bring back the status quo would appeal to a lot of voters. Not me, but people who never really paid attention to politics before (often because they’d be fine no matter who was in office) the Chump and would prefer a candidate who was just kind of there that they could go back to ignoring.

I disagree with that point of view.

I get being sick of waiting for incremental change under establishment politicians who have to have 90% of their voters and 100% of their rich donors yelling about something before they’ll lift a finger. But I also feel like people who can afford not to vote because their preferred candidate didn’t make it far enough are privileged.

It really, really, really comes off like people are reacting to the second part of this as an excuse to not seriously engage with the first part of it. It comes across like "Well, sure, yes, you're right that it's shit that the Democratic Party does this over and over, but we can't talk about that right now because somewhere out there there's a Bernie supporter considering not voting in the general election and that's all we can focus on right now." That is a large part of what bothers me about the whole thing.

I strongly think that the number of genuine dead-end Bernie or Bust people is extremely small, I think they're mostly people who were not Democratic voters to begin with, and I think they're also concentrated in deep blue states like California and New York, where you could vote for Marvin the Martian and it wouldn't make a difference in the outcome of the general election. While at the same time, I think that the criticisms made by people on the left of the party - whether or not they're planning on voting for Biden - are legitimate and deserve to be taken seriously.

Re: CW politics

[(Anonymous)]

I sympathize, the Bernie fans are way out of line a lot of the times. But if it helps, most of the vocal people online are outliers, a lot of the people out there who don't consume internet related sites constantly are actually more even keeled, and actually there are many more who are happy to vote for Biden, etc. So yeah, I know it sucks to hear or read about people like this (or even people you know irl) but I don't think the vast majority of people act like this. But I agree, they are just as extreme as the ultra Trump supporters out there. It's really unpleasant right now and I can't wait for the General Election in November.

Re: CW politics

[(Anonymous)]

Donate, phonebank, textbank for Biden then. Bernie lost, and so did the Bernie or Busters, who were never going to vote for Biden anyway.

It's on you now to win it. I'd focus on that instead of how the people who weren't going to ever help you, won't help you now.

Re: CW politics

[(Anonymous)]

Technically, Bernie hasn't yet lost, as he's still on the ballots. He just suspended his campaign.

I'm not saying that to stir up anything. He actually still is on the ballots for states that haven't yet had their primaries.

Whatever happens from this point, I hope it's for the best.

Re: CW politics

[(Anonymous)]

Ok, Russian.

Re: CW politics

[(Anonymous)]

That doesn't even make any sense. Are you lost?

Re: CW politics

[(Anonymous)]

Honestly, as a non-USian, the only people complaining about Biden being the Democratic front runner are the people refusing to vote for him because of the history of rape and sexual assault allegations against him.

The idea that someone like that can even run for president baffles me.

Re: CW politics

[(Anonymous)]

As far as I know, there are a bunch of, well, relatively minor (as in, he gives handsy hugs and is generally sexist) credible allegations, and the only serious one (involving non consensual fingering) is from someone who worked for him as a staffer in the 80s or 90s, praised him a lot, and then suddenly started making twitter posts about how she loved Russia and Putin was awesome and she really loves when Putin takes his shirt off. Which, er, I don’t usually disbelieve rape or assault allegations, but I have to admit someone praising Putin’s manly physique and gentlemanly treatment of women turning around and accusing the Democratic frontrunner is... a little suspicious.