[ SECRET POST #4876 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4876 ⌋

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[fscom]

10. https://i.imgur.com/J0ofJxO.jpg

[(Anonymous)]

I feel like this is a bad thing to hold as a moral standard, generally.

[(Anonymous)]

Women have the right to change their faces if they want. If we are lucky, one day we will be able to change our bodies however we want cheaply and safely. I'm gonna get cat eyes.

[(Anonymous)]

Wow, no. There is nothing inherently feminist OR unfeminist about getting cosmetic procedures done on one's face/body.

[(Anonymous)]

Oh fuck off with your purity tests.

[(Anonymous)]

Maybe you feel like a judgmental asshole because you are in fact a judgmental asshole

[(Anonymous)]

Wow yikes, maybe you kinda feel like a judgemental asshole because you are one?

[(Anonymous)]

She looked just fine pre-rhinoplasty!

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think it's judgemental at all.

[(Anonymous)]

As far as I can tell (after looking back and forth at the pics for a bit), she had a pretty tasteful nose job and that's it?

As someone who has a deviated septum and who's a bit self conscious about their nose shape, if it were consequence free, I would totally do it.

That doesn't make me less of a feminist. Isn't feminism supposed to be empowering women and equal rights? Why do you get to decide what makes me feel better about myself?

[(Anonymous)]

That's... that's not what feminism is, my dude. That has nothing to do with feminism, except that you going "Don't change the way you look to make your life easier, you must struggle against the system, no shortcuts allowed" is enough of a dick move that I'm inclined to call it anti-feminist.

[(Anonymous)]

I agree that plastic surgery doesn't fit with my definition of feminism, but she doesn't control the way other people talk about her.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm really bad at detecting plastic surgery unless it's super obvious. I just thought she had a weirdly small, thin nose for her face.

[(Anonymous)]

fuck you.

Wow.

[(Anonymous)]

First of all, unless she's stated that's why she did it, you don't know why she chose to have it done.
Second, you mean like women's rights to choose what to do with their own bodies? Just because you don't like what someone chose to do, that doesn't make that choice invalid.
Third, where's your line here? Is every woman who wears make-up or dyes their hair not allowed to champion women's rights? How about those that got their ears pierced? What if they had cosmetic surgery to get rid of a mole? What if they had cosmetic surgery to reduce the appearance of a scar? What if they had a gastric bypass?

[(Anonymous)]

A lot of people are piling on you here, OP. I think it's more complex than simply saying "women should be able to change their face and you're a judgmental asshole OP" as some here have been saying. I think they're displaying black and white thinking and (ironically) being judgmental towards you.
Yes, of course women should change their faces. But there is the issue of why women feel the need to. This isn't as simple as dying or cutting one's hair. Plastic surgery holds the risks of other major surgeries and includes a long and painful recovery.
Did people know plastic surgery first came about in world war 1 after men came back with hideous facial deformities?
Is Brie Larson's face hideously deformed? No.
I agree with OP's comment she did it to fit into Hollywood's absurd 'beauty standard'. A standard made by men (who still mainly write, produce and direct Hollywood movies). This ridiculous beauty standard (that says women are seen as 'old' past the age of 30) has arguably a lot of (if not all) women in Hollywood having plastic surgery they don't need just to keep a job.
HOW IS THIS FEMINISM? WOMEN SUBJECTING THEMSELVES TO PAINFUL DANGEROUS PROCEDURES TO UPHOLD A SYSTEM WHERE MEN HOLD THE POWER?
Also, in response, women around the world are suffering the effects of low esteem as they don't look like the kind of women (as Brie Larson) who don't naturally look like that anyway without surgery. Did all these people piling on OP know that girls as low as five have been saying they feel 'fat'? Oh yeah but it's all fine because all of these Hollywood types are size zero and have plastic surgery out of "feminism". I don't blame people like Brie Larson at all. I blame the system.
In fact, continually saying "Let women look the way they look it's their choice" when it comes to Hollywood actresses and piling on women who question it I think is the opposite of feminism.

[kaffy_r]

Why would I not hold her up - or not hold her up - based on what she chose to do with the way she looked? People do amazing, and sometimes amazingly weird, things to their bodies. They do them for more reasons than there are days in a year; some of them may, to those of us who aren't them, be good, bad, comical, frightful, absolutely terrific, or completely weird-ass. But the key phrase is "those of us who aren't them."

So, while you can't always adjust your point of view, or your reactions to something like this, it might be worth trying to do it.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm just amused that this is one of the rare instances of celeb cosmetic surgery where I can actually see a definite change in the before and after photos. Usually when people speculate about celebs having had surgery or it's known they did (and it's not something super obvious like Michael Jackson) I can never tell if I can see an actual difference or if it's just because the photos were taken 15 years apart from different angles in different lighting and their facial expression and makeup is completely different. I mean, you want to write a celebrity gossip listicle, at least pick two photos that are actually comparable.

[(Anonymous)]

If anything I think it possibly gives her more to say. She felt pressured enough, whether hating her own looks or needing to get more work, to get surgery. That's a launching point for things like body acceptance and the way women are treated in Hollywood, not a disqualifier for ever being part of any discussion ever.

[(Anonymous)]

lol this is mostly unrelated but I found out as an adult that my dad got elective rhinoplasty when he was a young man because he was insecure about his nose being too large. It's weird because his nose is still pretty big (maybe it grew back lol).

So it isn't just women feeling pressure to have certain nose shapes, at least in this case...

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, there's an implicit pressure in the Hollywood space for people, especially women, to look a certain way; but ultimately the only person who decided whether or not to have the surgery was Brie herself. Choosing to do something that can be spun as caving to beauty standards is still a choice, and that's what I personally see feminism as: the right to choose to do or not do certain things, as opposed to being pigeon-holed in the not-doing.

So I get the broad strokes of your point, but I also see why it raised hackles.

[(Anonymous)]

No shit she got surgery, wtf is that nose.

[(Anonymous)]

Women get criticized for a nose job or a boob job, but many of the same people who throw those criticisms would be applauding if she was trans and had surgery to finally feel like their body matched their sense of gender/sexuality. But a nose job is the same kind of thing. It's her decision to do it, for whatever reason. Sometimes people aren't comfortable in their skin, and if they can change it, they will. The reason behind wanting those changes is more complex than 'I hope this nose job will get me a Hollywood job'.

no

[(Anonymous)]

that's it.

well if i had to add, i'd rather it's because she supported the mulan actress who supports hong kong police violence.

[chamonix]

Did she absolutely definitively get surgery? Because honestly, faces can change more than you'd think over time. My face has changed drastically between 25 and 35, to the point that if I were in the public eye people would probably assume I had work done. Pregnancy might have something to do with it; all the fat distribution changed. But lots of factors can affect facial appearance.

I never take "before and after" pictures seriously when any of the befores are under age 20.