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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2020-05-29 07:16 pm

[ SECRET POST #4893 ]


⌈ Secret Post #4893 ⌋

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10. [WARNING for discussion of transphobia]



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(Anonymous) 2020-05-29 11:51 pm (UTC)(link)
She didn't say anything that was bigoted, though.

(Anonymous) 2020-05-29 11:52 pm (UTC)(link)
she is a transphobe

(Anonymous) 2020-05-30 12:03 am (UTC)(link)
If acknowledging the vast, vast, vast majority of humans are either male or female, that women and girls - BIOLOGICAL FEMALES - deserve our own spaces and knowing that calling a male person with a beard who decided he is ~genderqueer~ "him" is not offensive is transphobic, then most people are.

(Anonymous) 2020-05-30 12:07 am (UTC)(link)
yikes scoob don't hold back, tell us what you really think.

(Anonymous) 2020-05-30 12:09 am (UTC)(link)
Just because you believe it, doesn't mean it's not bigoted

(Anonymous) 2020-05-30 12:18 am (UTC)(link)
2016 called, they want their bathroom argument back.

(Anonymous) 2020-05-30 12:19 am (UTC)(link)
ok transphobe

(Anonymous) 2020-05-30 12:27 am (UTC)(link)
This. I really think the internet echo chambers are distorting people's perception of how nonsensical a lot of it is. It doesn't translate to real life. It ignores why we have single sex spaces and women's sport in the first place.

(Anonymous) 2020-05-30 12:31 am (UTC)(link)
I mean, you know, talking about Internet echo chambers isn't actually an argument. It's a mechanism for explaining away the existence of people on the Internet who disagree with you, but it's not an argument that they're wrong.

(Anonymous) 2020-05-30 12:36 am (UTC)(link)
Oh yeah, I mean, just because most of the vaguely reputable psychological associations on the planet disagree with you... But your aunt on FaceBook posts lots of Minions memes that agree with you, so that's okay!

(Anonymous) 2020-05-30 01:38 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, the bearded women setting new sports records, it's ridiculous. We should have an intersex box in passport and trance people can do their thing but hands off sports.

(Anonymous) 2020-05-30 03:05 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, the bearded women setting new sports records, it's ridiculous.

Who did you have in mind here, specifically? Out of interest.

(Anonymous) 2020-05-30 10:52 am (UTC)(link)
I don't remember the names. The stories pop up on my sites from time to time.

(Anonymous) 2020-06-01 10:02 pm (UTC)(link)
"no examples come to mind but I assure you i've had several convincing dreams about them that made me VERY UPSET >:("

(Anonymous) 2020-05-30 01:38 am (UTC)(link)
yes, let the hate flow through you :P

(Anonymous) 2020-05-30 01:45 am (UTC)(link)
Well while you fume in your angry pants, I'm still going to be queer and existing regardless of your sad little opinion :)

(Anonymous) 2020-05-30 02:03 am (UTC)(link)
That's great, we want you to exist.

We just literally don't want cocks in vagina-only spaces.

Trans rights do not trump the very real fear many women have of men, and that fear is deep rooted and goes beyond gender and straight to biological sex.

The very notion of being stuck in a supposedly safe place with somebody who looks and is biologically male, who thinks they should be there because they're genderqueer, is terrifying.

We still fear walking alone at night.

Genderqueer amabs do not understand this fear. They haven't grown up with it. They don't live it. It is unfair and insensitive to force their way into women-only spaces.

Transwomen are less of a problem. Many pass well, and they have their own fears of men. Some random, rugged guy with a face full of stubble who stands six foot three and makes absolutely no effort to look anything other than like a man at a glance? Does not belong in female spaces. He is terrifying. He is forcing himself somewhere he has no right to be. His supposed genderqueer-ness is not more important than a woman's right to feel safe.

(Anonymous) 2020-05-30 02:28 am (UTC)(link)
da -right, because trans and gnc people totally don't have any fear of being murdered in dark alleyways
definitely not

what fucking planet are you from, again? because it sure as shit isn't this one.

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(Anonymous) 2020-05-30 05:47 am (UTC)(link)
Yes.

It's not a women's problem that you are a man who is afraid of other men. We started shelters to protect each other from men. Before that we sheltered women in each other's homes.

I would 100% support trans people to create services for their communities, but the need for women and families to have access to places free from male violence has not diminished.

I volunteer with women's domestic violence services and we are already every day of the year stretched beyond our limits and having to refer people to other services. We do not have the funding or extra locations just waiting there to help trans people. We do not have the resources. We do not have the time. Frankly we do not have any sympathy left to give. We're all burned out and we are in the middle of an increase in demand for services. Male violence never ends. There's just more and more and more.

And this is what we receive hate mail for. This is what our founder receives death threats over. This entitlement that because we have clawed our way into existence we must now forget our work and go back to help this other lot get priority for resources that we desperately need and cannot afford to forfeit to their cause.

Transgender people account for less than one percent of all people in my country and they are angry that we get more funding to support women. They do not understand the sheer numbers that we face. Everyone must put them first. Everyone must support them. Everyone must listen. But our numbers are only increasing. Our funding is decreasing. No one is listening to us.

It is a bad time right now. I am often the one who has to tell people we don't have room for them, and yes, we know they are in immediate danger, but we can't help. Maybe the state department will find them emergency housing. Probably not.

A lot of keyboard warriors get to make judgements about what organisations like mine should be doing, but honestly, they're probably not lifting more than their fingers to type the word TERF over and over again. That is not activism. That is not helping anybody. Donate. Get involved. Start something. Yelling at me and my crew will not change anything. In fact, the only thing it accomplishes in some areas is giving the government an excuse to cease financial assistance to programs like ours.

Congrats. Great job.

K I'm done. I hate people. Enough internet for today.

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(Anonymous) 2020-05-30 11:28 am (UTC)(link)
So back when I did identify as a lesbian in the early 2000s, I use to get this shitty kind of attitude from other lesbians in my local community, mostly because 'I didn't look like a lesbian enough' so therefore I didn't understand since I could pass as straight because I look too straight to be gay.

Sounds wild now but that's what I dealt with as a teenager for a solid 4 years. Then one day things get so bad with one individual who use to shit on me with every opportunity that she had when she wasn't being vile to bi girls or the very few trans people that would come and go (honestly she sounds like she could be you, justifying being horrible with a mask of doing it for the right reasons); right in the middle of her questioning me actually being a lesbian that I just snap and say 'fine you win. I'm not a lesbian I'm queer' - and this of course gets right up her ass because one of her many rants was that too many women were abandoning the label lesbian and it was going to die out because of labels like 'queer' (and from what I see in 20 years on that still hasn't happened lol).

But from that point I started avoiding her and just stopped going to the so-called lgbt drop-in and found other places that were thankfully more supportive and diverse.

Many years later, how women identify becomes less of a problem to a point where the issue is pretty much forgotten - especially when trans issues come up more in the 2010s. Suddenly the same attitude on 'who gets to be in the community' that was thrown at me is turned onto the trans community, especially at people who were much younger than me when I was trying to figure myself out. I refuse to be part of the mentality that made me feel so worthless when I was younger, which cut deeper when it came from people who were suppose to be on my side.

I know writing this is a waste if time, especially for someone who is too pig headed to learn anything beyond their own hate. Yes there are men in the world who are harmful and need to be stood up against their attacks (there are also women too who are vicious in the same way - but that just pokes little holes in your argument) But in the same vein there are trans people who are killed for being themselves, by strangers and love ones, and they need support the same way as their queer, gay, bi, asexual and lesbian sibs. You can be vile and stay in your cramped box, I'm going to be a part of a community that wants to change attitudes and support each other for men, women, trans and non binary. it won't be perfect and it will have flaws, but its better than your useless bullying words.
I hope one day you'll grow up.

bullshit!

(Anonymous) 2020-06-01 10:06 pm (UTC)(link)
...implying that trans women aren't ALSO WOMEN who are AFRAID OF MEN

out of curiosity have you ever talked to a trans woman? have you ever walked down the street with a trans woman? i'm friends with several and they get harassed and heckled in public even in--actually, sometimes ESPECIALLY in--"gay spaces" by MEN.

this whole comment you've done nothing but absolutely show your ass. be honest, you are not afraid of men invading your spaces--YOU ARE AFRAID OF TRANS WOMEN.

you are TRANSPHOBIC just like J.K. "Just Kidding About the Transphobia" Rowling. BYE.

(Anonymous) 2020-05-30 07:31 am (UTC)(link)
Man, you know tat joke about vegans? I feel like it applies here, too

How do you know when someone is a TERF? Don't worry, they will tell you

(Anonymous) 2020-05-30 06:49 pm (UTC)(link)
A terf is some one who wants to exclude trans folk. Its not a made up name calling (and originally rad fems called themselves that so do your homework)

(Anonymous) 2020-05-30 12:12 am (UTC)(link)
+1

(Anonymous) 2020-05-30 11:51 am (UTC)(link)
If you keep supporting people who make openly transphobic statements, and follow organisations that are bigotted (the LGB alliance), and keep misgendering trans people, people are going to assume you're a bigot or are at least okay with bigotted views being acceptable.

There's an easy way to show people you're not a bigot - you stop doing both of these things, but JK doesn't seem interested in stopping.