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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2020-07-10 06:51 pm

[ SECRET POST #4935 ]


⌈ Secret Post #4935 ⌋

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03. [SPOILERS for Hogwarts school of prayer and miracles]



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05. [SPOILERS for Higurashi no Naku Koro Ni]
[WARNING for discussion of eating disorders]



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06. [WARNING for discussion of suicide]



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07. [WARNING for discussion of pedophilia]



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09. [WARNING for discussion of transphobia, bullying]



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[personal profile] fscom 2020-07-10 11:13 pm (UTC)(link)
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(Anonymous) 2020-07-10 11:27 pm (UTC)(link)
I mean - it is possible to like something and still hate the author of that thing.
Just look at HP Lovecraft.

(Anonymous) 2020-07-10 11:50 pm (UTC)(link)
There are so many incredible authors who are horrific people. Like Roald Dahl, dude was anti-semitic as fuck and wrote an article about how the Holocaust was the Jews fault because they must have done something to upset Hitler.

Gene Roddenberry was a major womaniser and possibly a rapist (it's possible he was the unnamed Paramount executive who raped Grace Lee Whitney).

Orson Scott Card is a homophobic asshole.

Lewis Carroll and JM Barrie were probably paedophiles.

Enid Blyton was a racist and neglected her children.

The list just goes on...

(Anonymous) 2020-07-10 11:56 pm (UTC)(link)
Must be nice to accuse someone of being a rapist based on something vague

(Anonymous) 2020-07-11 12:01 am (UTC)(link)
NAYRT but to be honest, I don't think saying that a long-dead man with an existing reputation for being a pig to women was possibly a rapist is actually that unreasonable in this context?

(Anonymous) 2020-07-11 12:41 am (UTC)(link)
Being a pig and being a rapist aren’t mutually inclusive

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(Anonymous) 2020-07-11 12:02 am (UTC)(link)
It's all very allegedly.

Basically, after what happened happened, Grace Lee Whitney said this unnamed executive handed her a polished rock. Gene Roddenberry was apparently known for polishing rocks.

Whether he did or did not, the guy was a major Harvey Weinstein type.

(Anonymous) 2020-07-11 12:04 am (UTC)(link)
I thought it was common knowledge he raped Grace Lee Whitney and sexually harassed Nichelle Nichols?

(Anonymous) 2020-07-11 12:40 am (UTC)(link)
Not for the former. She said an executive raped her she didn’t mention who.

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(Anonymous) 2020-07-11 12:22 am (UTC)(link)
I don't think there was any probably about JM Barrie.

(Anonymous) 2020-07-11 05:20 pm (UTC)(link)
There is zero proof, but I guess dead men can't argue back.

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(Anonymous) 2020-07-11 12:46 am (UTC)(link)
I'm a bit annoyed people have to rehash this point every time, but...

The difference is most of these (let's put Orson Scott Card away. The work of his most people look at is the Ender's series and that's not recent) are not alive, do not have millions of twitter followers that are following and listen, have so many many young fans, getting a huge amount of money from sales of said work, and aren't still pushing all their shitty beliefs while the rest of the world is watching.

(Anonymous) 2020-07-11 01:12 am (UTC)(link)
Roald Dahl's estate makes a fuck ton of money each year, his views are easily Google-able.

Matilda is very transphobic (the book has many allusions to Trunchball being a man, such as the scene when they put itching powder in her gym knickers and there's a sly line about what was really going on her in her knickers).

There are other hugely problematic elements in his books.

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(Anonymous) 2020-07-11 01:19 am (UTC)(link)
The only difference is finding out these people are assholes in Real Time as opposed to 20yrs later.

(Anonymous) 2020-07-11 03:29 am (UTC)(link)
Well Anne Rice is still alive and making money from being a shit head, and her books are still selling - does she count or is JK the only problematic author in the world making money.

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(Anonymous) 2020-07-11 05:18 pm (UTC)(link)
There is NO evidence for those tiresomely common slurs about Carroll and Barrie. "Probably" BS.

(Anonymous) 2020-07-11 06:10 pm (UTC)(link)
JM Barrie worked his way into the life of those kids, he took photographs of them (which the dad left on a train because he was deeply uncomfortable with them) I think two of the kids killed themselves. It was probably a Michael Jackson situation, might not have been anything sexual but definitely more questionable than innocent.

Lewis Carroll was in love with a child.

(Anonymous) 2020-07-10 11:49 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm apathetic about her tweets, interviews, etc. I love all the books, the epilogue, CC, FB, Pottermore and the like.

Which makes for a rather lonely and miserable fandom experience in HP fandom. I'm exhausted by all the criticism and white-knighting.

There's still some really good fanart, though.

(Anonymous) 2020-07-10 11:57 pm (UTC)(link)
I also love the epilogue, CC, FB and Pottermore.

What I especially loved about CC was the dark AU stuff. I would love a book set in that universe.

I also liked Cedric 'going dark', the very real feeling relationship between Harry and Albus and the contrast between Draco & Scorpius's relationship.

In the second FB, I thought the scene where Queenie joins with Grindelwald chilling and so heartbreakingly real. I'm excited about what's going to happen next and how it all plays out.

(Anonymous) 2020-07-11 12:14 am (UTC)(link)
Oh, another unicorn. Hai there!

I'm really excited for what comes next in FB, too. Loving Queenie's arc, yes. I hope they can start filming soon.
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[personal profile] tabaqui 2020-07-11 12:25 am (UTC)(link)
Eh. The 'verse is fun, a lot of the fanfic is fun. At this point, I just enjoy the 'verse as a separate thing and ignore her, because she's just...really fucking out there, any more.

(Anonymous) 2020-07-11 12:39 am (UTC)(link)
tbh i only pay attention to the books sans epilogue and ignore everything else. I liked the first FB but had no urge to see the second. CC's plot synopsis made me laugh. I don't care what she says.

I'm just going to keep AUing the shit out of her books because I love the 'verse.

(Anonymous) 2020-07-11 12:58 pm (UTC)(link)
Lol this is hilarious - I guess good for People who want to mindlessly follow purity culture. I mean might as well just give up on media in generally since you would have to be incredibly naive to believe that everything consumed doesn't come at the fraction of someone's suffering on top of people who like or represent shitty stuff in connection to said media.

(Anonymous) 2020-07-11 04:58 pm (UTC)(link)
Ignorance is bliss and all that

(Anonymous) 2020-07-11 08:43 pm (UTC)(link)
Well it's the only way to take part in anything fictional online. Like anyone who's seen someone on tumblr with a vendetta against anything in particular usually has no problem picking up some kind of dirt - be it with the original creators or folks in the fandom making making something that's bad so that it can be held up as 'this person and the thing they made is bad = bad fandom = bad content in general'.
It's sickening how often it happens or even more stupidly how hard people try to drag someone by putting it out of context. But most of the time people leap into fear rather than question if what is being passed around is true, so they'll reblog or say things they know nothing about in order to prove themselves to be 'good'.

It's even worse when people try to pull that nonsense in fandom and call it activism when really it makes no difference in the world to rant at someone's crappy fanfic.

JK Rowling absolutely should be dragged for spouting shit and contributing to harm towards the trans community when there are politicians doing just fine making bullshit laws against the community without her commentary. It is also unnecessary to go pointing at people who enjoyed her books/are apart of fandom and calling them idiots because no one foretold that in the future Rowling was going to say all this stuff.