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⌈ Secret Post #4935 ⌋

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03. [SPOILERS for Hogwarts school of prayer and miracles]

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05. [SPOILERS for Higurashi no Naku Koro Ni]
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06. [WARNING for discussion of suicide]

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07. [WARNING for discussion of pedophilia]

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10. [WARNING for discussion of transphobia]

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I mean - it is possible to like something and still hate the author of that thing.
Just look at HP Lovecraft.

There are so many incredible authors who are horrific people. Like Roald Dahl, dude was anti-semitic as fuck and wrote an article about how the Holocaust was the Jews fault because they must have done something to upset Hitler.

Gene Roddenberry was a major womaniser and possibly a rapist (it's possible he was the unnamed Paramount executive who raped Grace Lee Whitney).

Orson Scott Card is a homophobic asshole.

Lewis Carroll and JM Barrie were probably paedophiles.

Enid Blyton was a racist and neglected her children.

The list just goes on...

Must be nice to accuse someone of being a rapist based on something vague

NAYRT but to be honest, I don't think saying that a long-dead man with an existing reputation for being a pig to women was possibly a rapist is actually that unreasonable in this context?

Being a pig and being a rapist aren’t mutually inclusive

There's enough circumstancial evidence to at least suspect he was though.

No, but it does lend credence.

It's all very allegedly.

Basically, after what happened happened, Grace Lee Whitney said this unnamed executive handed her a polished rock. Gene Roddenberry was apparently known for polishing rocks.

Whether he did or did not, the guy was a major Harvey Weinstein type.

I thought it was common knowledge he raped Grace Lee Whitney and sexually harassed Nichelle Nichols?

Not for the former. She said an executive raped her she didn’t mention who.

No but she put lots of coded references to who he was in her autobiography.

https://forums.sf-fandom.com/thread-32522.html

I don't think there was any probably about JM Barrie.

There is zero proof, but I guess dead men can't argue back.

If they were, you can bet they'd be at least questioned.

I'm a bit annoyed people have to rehash this point every time, but...

The difference is most of these (let's put Orson Scott Card away. The work of his most people look at is the Ender's series and that's not recent) are not alive, do not have millions of twitter followers that are following and listen, have so many many young fans, getting a huge amount of money from sales of said work, and aren't still pushing all their shitty beliefs while the rest of the world is watching.

Roald Dahl's estate makes a fuck ton of money each year, his views are easily Google-able.

Matilda is very transphobic (the book has many allusions to Trunchball being a man, such as the scene when they put itching powder in her gym knickers and there's a sly line about what was really going on her in her knickers).

There are other hugely problematic elements in his books.

Wait so now we’re assuming a character is trans when Dahl never said it?

“ such as the scene when they put itching powder in her gym knickers and there's a sly line about what was really going on her in her knickers).”

Are you serious? Here’s the line from the book.

“Well,” Hortensia said, “a few days later, during prayers, the Trunchbull suddenly started scratching herself like mad down below. A-ha, I said to myself. Here we go. She’s changed for gym already. It was pretty wonderful to be sitting there watching it all and knowing that I was the only person in the whole school who realised exactly what was going on inside the Trunchbull’s pants.“

The line about “what was going inside her pants” refers to the itching powder not a penis! For fucks sake.

https://www.salon.com/2013/10/27/the_dangerous_transphobia_of_roald_dahls_matilda/

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(Anonymous) - 2020-07-11 14:17 (UTC) - Expand

(Anonymous) - 2020-07-11 17:21 (UTC) - Expand

The only difference is finding out these people are assholes in Real Time as opposed to 20yrs later.

Well Anne Rice is still alive and making money from being a shit head, and her books are still selling - does she count or is JK the only problematic author in the world making money.

It's a few things:
One, scope. JK Rowling has way more influence. A huge franchise. 14 million twitter followers.
Two, the types of influence. JK Rowling wrote a series for children/young adults.
Three, how the attitudes are expressed. JK Rowling remained under the radar until she ramped up her transphobic attitudes. Meanwhile, Rice has been considered pretty shitty for a while.

OK fine jk Rowling is the only rich person ever to be bad.

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(Anonymous) - 2020-07-11 20:27 (UTC) - Expand

There is NO evidence for those tiresomely common slurs about Carroll and Barrie. "Probably" BS.

JM Barrie worked his way into the life of those kids, he took photographs of them (which the dad left on a train because he was deeply uncomfortable with them) I think two of the kids killed themselves. It was probably a Michael Jackson situation, might not have been anything sexual but definitely more questionable than innocent.

Lewis Carroll was in love with a child.