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[ SECRET POST #5013 ]

⌈ Secret Post #5013 ⌋

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Yeah, we didn't learn a damn thing from Twilight. Women will always like the bad boy in a movie and then get bashed for it because clearly we're tricking ourselves into dating actual nazi serial killers or some shit.

Well, yes, but what does that have to do with /Rey/?

Rey is one half of the popular Reylo ship, what's unclear exactly?

Just that most of the vitriol seemed to be about Kylo, so changing Rey wouldn't make him better. It would just make the ship less mainstream (and obviously much less canon as well, because Disney).

No, the vitriol was thinly-veiled misogyny that came from male and female fans both. Most Reylos understood it as an enemies-to-lovers dynamic until it was strawmanned into "romanticizing abuse" and weaponized to bully and harass them.
If Reylo were a mlm ship most of fandom would've let it be because there'd be less "woke" reasons to shit on it. (Some would've slipped misogyny into it by playing the fujoshi card though)

really? because i dipped my toes into the fandom and it was all about rey fixing kylo with the power of her love and that he wasn't actually 'that' bad.

if it had been the enemies-to-lovers thing in the fandom reylos kept TELLING me it was i'd have actually vibed with the content. but it wasn't so i didn't.

I mean, the cheesy shit you described may also count as enemies-to-lovers, there's no rulebook on how it SHOULD be written.

The main takeaway is that Reylos were an easy target for a massive harassment campaign to shit on teen girls for not knowing how to "ship right" with the excuse that it's woke to bully them out of it.

How the people in this thread miss the point and go "well I don't like the ship either" goes waaaaaay over my head.

This was my experience as well. Reylo piqued my interest after TLJ come out, but after checking out the fandom a bit I was like, "Uh. Never mind."

Something can receive a lot of OTT, sexist hate, and still be terrible. The two are not mutually exclusive and women being really into something en-masse doesn't give it a free-pass from criticism of it's toxic writing/tropes.

Big difference between criticizing a trope and starting harassment campaigns against people for enjoying said trope.

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If Reylo were a m/m ship, it wouldn't have been that big a deal because it wouldn't have caught on outside of deeper fandom anyway.

I just think it's more complicated than you're claiming.

No, the vitriol was thinly-veiled misogyny that came from male and female fans both.

I'm fine with Reylo, but I strongly disagree with this.

The antis were mostly women misguidedly thinking people had to be "protected" from the sexist toxicity that was Reylo. The hate came largely from a place of "How dare you pair this strong but still vulnerable young woman with they psychotic dude who abducted, tortured, and abused her! Shipping Reylo is destructive to feminism!" (I disagree with them, but I do understand their POV, even though, again, I think it's wrong.)

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I agree that the antis were mostly women, but the harassment from the JCF and The Fandom Menace were mostly men.

Nah, they'd just screech about it being "whitecock" instead, if it were m/m.

See, I hated Twilight and Edward, but I could at least see an upside for Bella in being with Edward aside from his being hot, even if I thought he was a massive creep. Same for Jacob. And I do ship a lot of problematic bad boy/good girl stuff.

My problem with Reylo is that aside from being hot (and I do think Adam Driver was hot as Kylo Ren) there were zero pluses for Rey in that relationship and a ton of minuses.

This. I mean, I don't think Adam Driver was hot as Kylo Ren, but I can see where other people would have. And turning Rey into Ray wouldn't have changed the fact that every fucking character in the franchise with the possible exception of Sheev can do better than Kylo Ren. If anything, gender-swapping Rey would have made Rey more shippable with Poe and Finn, not that fucking manbaby.

Ehhh that would require shippers to stop preferring white/white ships, but yeah.

The problem with Rey/Poe and Rey/Finn is that Rey/Finn gets nothing after the first film, and Rey/Poe never had anything. It's hard to sustain ships with that little to go on.

Fandom has a problem with preferring white/white ships, no doubt, but in this case, it's really on the creators themselves. The creators put Rey/Kylo material in the movie, and didn't put Rey/Finn or Rey/Poe material. The creators chose to keep Rey and Finn largely apart in TLJ, not the shippers.

kylo/hux gets a similar amount of nothing to the ships you've mentioned and yet it's huge, so your argument doesn't really check out.

fandom has an overwhelming preference for white ships, and i'm not demonizing people for that, but trying to argue that literal fact away is disingenuous at best.

Kylux gets plenty of scenes of the two of them hating each other, don't they? Which is all that particular ship needs.

The thing, most of the battle lines were drawn starting with the first film, and it devolved from there, so we can't discount the Rey/Finn material from TFA just because TLJ and TROS dropped the ball.

That's a fair point!

It was INCREDIBLY POPULAR and mainstream culture weaponized it to take a big steaming shit on teen girls for almost a decade.

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