[ SECRET POST #5019 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5019 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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05. [WARNING for discussion of transphobia]



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[fscom]

05. [WARNING for discussion of transphobia]
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[(Anonymous)]

Please try not to feel bad about not choosing another series instead. Nobody can mind-read or see the future. There's no way you could have known JK's views, and now that they're out they still can't take away the good her books did for you.

(This is why I hate when people brag about how they "knew it" whenever someone famous turns out like... this. No you didn't, nobody did. You just didn't like her and now you have a good excuse for it.)

[(Anonymous)]

This. *Maybe* there's stuff in the books that can be read as suggestive of her shitty personal politics, but like, there's a reason people have been arguing about Shakespeare's opinions of women for several centuries. A writer's work does suggest their views, but it's like the world's most complicated magic eye puzzle - everyone's gonna see something slightly different, some people will see the exact opposite to other people, and no one can just look and see what the creator was thinking.
And anyone who says they can is so full of shit it's coming out their ears.

[(Anonymous)]

+1

Also, I'm glad you got through that difficult time, OP. It's a truly good thing you were able to find a way to help yourself through to the other side. The fact that the way you chose has been tainted for you now, due to information you couldn't have known back then, doesn't diminish the tangible good it did. You're here, and you're doing much better, and that's awesome.

It's natural to feel angry and hurt by Rowling, but don't beat yourself up for her mistakes, when you had no way of knowing what she was thinking.

[(Anonymous)]

She's not so bad. Just the usual old people mindset. I mean she didn't say to burn all the trans people. The outrage is disproportionate. Compared to other famous writers who include rape, homophobia and casual underage she gets too much hate.
All the books by Steven Erikson are so bad in that regard. I never got disgusted reading HP books like I did his.
SJW is so massive rn, that anyone who talks even slightly out of line gets piled on.

I remember we had someone on fs who helps running women's shelters. Other anons were outraged when they explain that they don't accept anyone MtF because that's how their charity is run.

[(Anonymous)]

The issue is not primarily stuff she included in her books. The problem is her views on the subject, the people that she supports, and the transphobic narratives that she promotes and has promoted consistently over a long period of time. The reason the stuff in her book looks bad is because of the context of her views outside of fiction. It wouldn't be as objectionable without that context (I mean, people would still dislike it but it would not be as big a story).

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt
What transphobic narratives? I'm quite sure that it's a recent issue starting with the twitter post. Try as I might I can't think of anything transphobic in HP.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, I'm thinking about relatively recent stuff. What I mean is that JKR doesn't outright say that trans people are delusional and accepting trans people is bad. But she says that she has concerns - she says that she is concerned about X, Y, and Z happening - and X, Y, and Z are all standard arguments and claims and tropes promoted by anti-trans people and used to justify the conclusion that trans people are delusional and accepting trans people is bad.

"Narrative" was probably a bad word to use for that, given that she's also a writer of fiction - I should have chosen a better word.

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt
Gotcha! Thanks for explaining.

[(Anonymous)]

Rita Skeeter is described in a way that, now that we know Rowling's views, is very uh. Not great. Especially since she's a very masculine woman who is illegally and animagus to invade private spaces in order to spy on people.

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt.
I think that she might have a real-life prototype. It's strangely specific for a minor character. Actually it makes me think that Rowling really was abused by a trans person. I thought that it was just some backpedaling from her.

Here what I found:
Hair: blonde, set in elaborate and curiously rigid curls (GF18); after her long period of unemployment, she let it hang lank and unkempt instead (OP25).
Face: heavy-jawed, heavily penciled eyebrows, jeweled spectacles (false jewels), three gold teeth (GF18).
Fingernails: long and painted red (GF18).
Hands: large, mannish (GF18).
Carries: crocodile-skin handbag holding parchment and an acid-green Quick-Quotes Quill (GF18).
+ weirdly strong grip when she grabs Harry.

[(Anonymous)]

Or she just wanted to be that wink-wink-nudge-nudge.

[(Anonymous)]

I always figured that Janet Street Porter was the basis for Rita Skeeter.

[(Anonymous)]

DA: I know this isn't what AYRT was talking about, but her newest book (you know, the mystery books she publishes under a man's name) has a man who dresses as a woman to murder people.

Which is, uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh............ arguably relevant

like
considering

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt
still... Masquerading for murder is not the same as a villain trans character. Idk, I haven't read the book. Btw isn't it a spoiler? Crime novels aren't my thing but someone might want to read it.

Rowling isn't any worse than anyone else her age regarding this topic. She's pretty progressive on gay and racial issues.

[(Anonymous)]

still... Masquerading for murder is not the same as a villain trans character.

It's not, but it plays into a lot of tropes and arguments that are used to advance arguments against trans acceptance, and it's hard to give JKR the benefit of the doubt in that regard because she obviously knows what she's doing

Rowling isn't any worse than anyone else her age regarding this topic. She's pretty progressive on gay and racial issues.

This is ridiculous and frankly kind of insulting to older people. There are people older than 50 who accept trans people (hell there are people older than 50 who are trans people). Pretending they don't exist is bizarre.

Rowlings' views are more common among people in Rowlings' age group, yes. But that's not the same thing, and it shouldn't get her a pass - especially when this is an issue she has consciously chosen to speak out about. Rowling doesn't just have those views, she is actively putting them forward.

Her age?

[(Anonymous)]

Can we cut out the ageist bullshit? I'm her age and OH is in his 70s and we know not to propogate transphobia.

[(Anonymous)]

It is when she has literally supported a store with pins and such in it going "trans men are my sisters" and "trans women are men" and "fuck your pronouns" and things like that.

https://twitter.com/DreamsRestless/status/1308484156129714177

Oh also, said site sells racist shit, so shit up about her being progressive.

[(Anonymous)]

I help running homeless shelters but we don't accept black people because that's just how our charity is run.

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt
Yeah, that anon got replies like that from people who don't help any charities at all.
Are you saying that black people to white people and asian people is the same as men to women? Much stronger physically and statistically are perpetrators of abuse.

[(Anonymous)]

~*~*~*~*~*~Biological Essentialism~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~

Next you'll tell me women are inherently inferior because of evolutionary psych.

[(Anonymous)]

Statistics. Sorry you are allergic to facts.

[(Anonymous)]

Should there be strength tests for cis women before they're allowed in a shelter?

Otherwise, why is strength disqualifying for trans women and not cis women?

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt
Because a man who doesn't do any sports easily overpowers a woman who doesn't know any self defence?
I don't feel afraid when I see a woman wnen I walk late at night, but I do when I see a man. Sorry to any guy who might read this.

[(Anonymous)]

I'd employ death of the author, anon. There are lots of themes in the book that are comforting like found family. Even if you never read them again don't feel bad about it. How on earth could you have known?