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[ SECRET POST #722 ]

⌈ Secret Post #722 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Death Note/The Dark Knight]

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[Axis Powers Hetalia]

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[Lucky Star OVA]

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[Supernatural]

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[The Monkees]

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[Dr Who]

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[Jason Mraz]

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[South Park]

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[Final Fantasy VI]

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[SpongeBob SquarePants/Homestar Runner - Squilliam/Strong Bad]

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[Benny and Joon]

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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 16 pages, 382 secrets from Secret Submission Post #103.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 1 - broken links ], [ 1 2 3 4 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 1 2 - too big ], [ 1 2 3 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

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The thing of it is though if the movie just plain flops, that doesn't mean they are going to attribute it to the whitewashing, so by writing letters and not seeing the movie that will at least make it clear why.

Also it is an effort to raise awareness about it because if you don't raise awareness this will never change whether the movie ends up tanking or not.

Then somebody ought to try to organize something like that. I think the point of the4 seecret is, he's tired of seeing the saw "BAWWWW HOLLYWOOD IS SO RACIST" posts from people who then don't do anything about it.

I mean, seriously - if you're gonna stand up for a cause, you might as well get a stepladder so everybody can see you.

Um that is what the letter campaign is trying to do and to organize that. People are doing something.

I think the person is saying that people should just shut up about it and saying "Why do you guys bother, you can't do anything", which I find a bit more contemptible then people complaining and not doing anything.

And by the way, Hollywood is racist, and complacency and apathy helps keep it that way.

Hollywood is exactly as racist as me, you and everybody else in the world. Theirs is just more blatant.

The letter-writing campagin is a good thing, but it should make itself better known - I'll admit that I'm only a casual fan, but this is the first I've heard of it. It needs to get out there more, so it can get something done.

And, just for the record, I stand my by interpretation of the secret. Feel free to do the same.

The letter-writing campagin is a good thing, but it should make itself better known - I'll admit that I'm only a casual fan, but this is the first I've heard of it.

But how will they get the word out if they don't talk about it? Icons and lj posts help get the word out about the issues so that people will write letters. But you're saying that they shouldn't talk about it, or at least only in certain ways. So it looks like fandom can't win with you.

Um, I kind of resent this remark? Why the fuck should the fact that Hollywood is "just as racist" as "everybody else" be an excuse for this shitty whitewashing? And frankly, I think the letter-writing campaign is doing a fine job. It's only existed for a short time, and you've heard of it now, amiright?

Growing up Asian and never seeing people like me on the television, knowing that I was some sort of other--it was and is frustrating. Knowing that Hollywood has squandered another opportunity to break racial barriers really hurts me. That's why this is frustrating. This is not an isolated incident, and frankly, some of us have had enough of this bullshit.

Growing up Asian and never seeing people like me on the television, knowing that I was some sort of other--it was and is frustrating.

Word. I'm going to assume that the people who don't find this whole situation outrageous are in a position of privelege, and thus would not understand what it's like not to see yourself reflected in the media as something other than a math geek or martial artist.

It makes me so fucking angry that people can just brush this off like it's nothing. It's not nothing. I want my little sister to be able to grow up seeing faces on the television that look like hers, and not have to feel out of place all the time like I did.

whitewashing

racist.

Hollywood is exactly as racist as me, you and everybody else in the world. Theirs is just more blatant.

Please elaborate.

Preferably not through song.

Hollywood is exactly as racist as me, you and everybody else in the world. Theirs is just more blatant.

Doesn't mean we have to settle for it, I admit that I have biases, but I try to overcome them and make myself better for it, the problem is that no one wants to confront it. Racism, sexism, and all of those things are not permanent states of being, the only crime is letting it go unchecked and uncorrected. I am not going to settle on, oh we all are a bit racist and move on. I want to change that, in myself and in others.

It is trying, it is going beyond just LJ, but it can't be accomplished by just a small number of people there has to be more people will to get involved.

I think the secret just puts forth more cynicism that really is not helpful, the OP can just deal with the fact that people actually care and move on and let others be. I am sorry, but that whole "it doesn't matter" thing is really old and does nothing but discourage people who are working hard.

S/he's seeing the BAWWW HOLLYWOOD IS SO RACIST posts from people who are writing letters that s/he thinks will be ineffective - it's right there in the secret. And that letter writing campaign? Started with people discussing how racist Hollywood is in relation to the Avatar movie, complaining about it, and deciding they wanted to do something about it, so I don't really see why you think people talking to each other about things they find disgusting is so ineffective, when generally they come together to do productive things, not pat each other on the back for whining - which is what this secret, on the other hand, certainly seems to be gunning for.

I think it all depends on the location. If people are talking to each other about things that they find disgusting their personal little blog in their personal of the internet and it never leaves that area, then yes, all they are doing is patting each other on the back for whining. Especially if they add in 'sticking it to the man' mentality. THAT, I believe, it was secret-maker was complaining about.

The effective stuff is what this letter-writing campaign has started. That actually gets something done.

Reread the secret. S/he mentions people who talk about having written "10 letters to Mike and Bryan and M. Night" right there in the post, man. Avatar fandom is not complaining in isolation at all, it's been uniting and mobilizing to do something pretty much since the news first came out, and that's overtly what the secret is complaining about. If you want to complain about something different, something that's...not actually happening...then that's your prerogative, but it has nothing to do with the secret you want to agree with.

THIS.

(Hoshit, captcha 'racing hail'. O_o )

YOU read the post again. The only time he mentions that is in the list of excuses people give for ranting. This letter-writing campaign is a good thing, it will get things done, and I wish it well. But I'm with the OP - I don't want to hear you whining about it AGAIN, to ME, who has NOTHING to do with the movie industry.

I think the point of the secret is "Talk to the movie industry and leave the rest of us the fuck alone, please."

Wait. So it's important to inform people about the problem and get the word out about the campaign but they're to do it in such a way that doesn't involve talking about it to anyone who isn't a movie exec. Even though the only way the campaign will succeed is if people who are not movie execs - i.e. the vast majority of the population - write letters to the movie execs. And the only way to get the vast majority involved is to talk about the problem but it's only okay if you don't talk to people who aren't movie execs... do you see the problem with your logic?

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geministar01.livejournal.com - 2008-12-27 23:59 (UTC) - Expand

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(Anonymous) - 2008-12-28 00:07 (UTC) - Expand

Honestly, it's not our problem if every time someone mentions the letter-writing campaign in a post, while ranting about the casting, you/the secret poster see that as FINDING AN EXCUSE TO RANT MORE, and not as someone saying "hey, I wrote a letter on this INHERENTLY UPSETTING issue, why don't you? Here are the reasons why this is important, by the way". Seriously, the only people I'm seeing whining are all of you who can't seem to get it through your heads that this stuff matters, the people who are bringing it up bring it up because it matters and they'd like to bring more people's attentions to what they think matters. You obviously don't have to participate in any letter-writing campaigns or posts of anger, but by asking to be left the fuck alone you're basically implying that you think it's more important that your fandom experience be an apolitical one, that you not have to be aware of other people caring about an issue you are free to care or not care about, than that people do what it takes to start the kind of movement that can actually have some effect on the casual racism of Hollywood.

And I'm sorry dude, but your fandom experience is NOT more important than issues like racism which negatively affect people's lives in huge, destructive ways, every day. This is a minor annoyance to you. Racism is a major problem. You can accept that or you can not accept that, but one way or another it's true, so people aren't going to be leaving the 'rest of you' alone any time soon.

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(Anonymous) - 2008-12-28 00:08 (UTC) - Expand

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tl--dr.livejournal.com - 2008-12-28 00:10 (UTC) - Expand

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(Anonymous) - 2008-12-29 21:28 (UTC) - Expand

Avatar fandom is organizing and that's what the OP is complaining about.

No, OP is whining about people who won't shut up about it ON THEIR PERSONAL BLOGS, which have absoloutely NO influence on the movie industry and never will, but flood his/her F-list with constant whining. It's especially annoying if every other post is, "OMG I sent my letter three days ago, but nothing's changed yet, WTF?"

*That* is what he's complaining about. Whining without doing anything.

How do you know that? I don't see that at all in the OP's secret.

My interpretation is exactly as vaild as yours given the information we've been provided. I'm just not adpt to assuming the worst about secert-posters.

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(Anonymous) - 2008-12-28 00:37 (UTC) - Expand

No, the OP ís complaining about the entirety of Avatar fandom. They don't single out a particular kind of fan.

And posting on a blog won't influence the industry but it DOES help get the word out - something you acknowledge in another comment as being very important.

How does it help to get the word out if you're posting it over and over again on your own blog where only your F-list can see it?

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(Anonymous) - 2008-12-28 00:02 (UTC) - Expand

... "I sent a letter" is not doing anything?

As long as people are complaining, it means they still have the right mindset to start doing something. Personal blogs are where people come together and realise that no, they're not alone feeling this, that if they try to do something about it they WON'T be alone and ineffective. A personal journal is where the Aang Ain't White letter writing campain originated. One does not exclude the other. Please stop pretending it does while the evidence is staring you right in the face.

Who ever said it was only personal blogs where people talk about this, anyway? Take a look at the Aang Ain't White community and you'll see that at least a dozen major anti-racism and ethnic awareness blogs, forums, communities and organisations have been contacted.

If the build-up, context and aftermath annoy you so much, just ignore it. Now your complaining will only either discourage people from doing ANYTHING, or wind them up even more, which means you'll have to put up with even MORE "whining" on you f-list.

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