[ SECRET POST #729 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #729 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 19 pages, 459 secrets from Secret Submission Post #105.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 2 3 4 - not!secrets ], [ 1 2 - not!fandom ], [ 1 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ], [ 1 - take it to comments ], [ 1 2 - doing it wrong ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

145, 155, 166

[lunarwhirl.livejournal.com]

145: It's not canon until the creator says it is, dumbass. God, I hate people who ship things and claim they're canon without it actually being so. I'm not a part of the fandom, but STFU already.

155: YES. THIS. THANK YOU. What am I, a fucking Barbie because I'm a size six? Fuck them all.

166: I don't find it disrespectful, but I can kinda see where you're coming from.

Re: 155

[(Anonymous)]

'Scuse me, your thin privilege is showing.

Re: 155

[lunarwhirl.livejournal.com]

You know what, bitch? FUCK YOU. I don't care what size someone is; that doesn't matter. But to insinuate that those of us who (gasp horror) are of NORMAL size are nothing but plastic reeks of elitism and possibly sour grapes, even though Marilyn Monroe was considered "bigger", iirc.

And by the way? Size 6 is average, fuckwit.

Re: 155

[fenm.livejournal.com]

Size 6 is average, fuckwit.

No, it's not. Most women are around a size 12-14.

Re: 155

[lunarwhirl.livejournal.com]

Last I checked, size 6 is a medium. A medium is widely considered average. Of course, I may just be living under a rock, but. :x

Re: 155

[(Anonymous)]

'medium' is subjective. I'm a size 16, and I fit into 'mediums' in a lot of clothes. More women are actually around 10-ish, so 6 is actually pretty small.

Re: 155

[wanderingscribe.livejournal.com]

Thin 'privilege'? Seriously? This is a new one for my list of "You gotta be fucking kidding me" topics. Body size isn't something handed out like fucking candy; it's determined by general health, nutrition, genetics, and a host of other factors. So you can just shove your "privilege" up in a place where even fiber won't be able to help you get it out.

P.S: I'm a size six too. I was over two hundred two years ago and I lost more than sixty pounds to get where I am currently. You gonna heckle me and call me privileged as well because I finally feel comfortable in my own skin?

Re: 155

[(Anonymous)]

You're not being heckled.

The anon above is using privilege in the same sense as white privelege, male privelege, heterosexual privilege etc. It's a term which refers to the way in which people who don't fit into marginalised category X have the privelege of being blind to certain injustices which confront those who are in X daily. (The privelege of being given the benefit of the doubt by the police, the privilege of being interviewed by people of your own race or gender, the privilege of seeing yourself represented in mainstream entertainment in a positive light.)

One of the most typical examples of privilege in any debate about a marginalised group is that when somebody says "There is a serious, ingrained, and systematic problem with the portrayal of people who are X" somebody will inevitably jump in and say "Not-X occasionally has a hard time of it too! Talk about that!" thus derailing the initial very important conversation.

In the long term, this can lead to people getting so annoyed and exhausted by the diversion that the necessary conversation about the initial problem just never gets held, or only gets held among people who already understand the privilege problem.

The problem of representation of female body types in the media is real. It is not the same for thin people as for fat people - there is a huge amount of fat-hate aimed at women in the MSM. Women who are the 'accepted' size and shape and are happy with that are not being oppressed just because many women are unhappy with the fact that it is your body type (physically unatainable to vast numbers of women) which is being pushed on them as the only valid body for happiness.

Hurray for you that you feel good about your body now. Our culture works damned hard every single day to make sure you are in the vast minority in having that privilege, and you will be treated better than other women because of it (having been heavier previously, I'd bet money you've already noticed that).


You are privileged. Examining your privilege doesn't mean feeling guilty or bad about that. It means recognising that you have a benefit in life denied to others because of ingrained cultural prejudices. It means attempting to be empathetic, allowing those who are marginalised the space to speak and the freedom to be angry. It means trying to be an ally.

I'm really, really sure the anon wasn't heckling.

Re: 155

[lunarwhirl.livejournal.com]

Wait a second, just wait a fucking second. I have the nerve to try and accept myself. I'm not putting ANYONE down on purpose (except for those who would put me down). If you look above, I've said that SIZE DOESN'T MATTER. It's how you treat people. I don't care what size someone else is, but if you treat me like shit I'll do the same to you.

And you know what? Right now I'm too pissed off to care about privilege or anything like that. I don't see you talking to the anons who are making their side look bad. You've actually presented your argument logically and calmly - and politely as well.

I am a woman, and a minority, and therefore in some of the marginalized groups. Excuse me for not being in a third and trying to accept myself regardless of what body type I am. And frankly, I'm agreeing with the person above now. Maybe that's wrong of me, but right now? I've largely stopped caring. Maybe when I've cooled down I'll take another look at this.

Sorry if I'm being rude, I'm just tired of shit like the above. (Icon is also not directed at you.)

Re: 155

[vilify.livejournal.com]

Examining privilege also shouldn't shut down the other side of the discussion, which is what that anon was trying to do.

Re: 155

[wanderingscribe.livejournal.com]

No, I'm not. I was asking if the commenter was going to heckle me.

And whoa, call me stupid, but I can't understand what you're saying. Please break this down for me otherwise I'm going to lose any point you were trying to make.

...Actually, right now, I don't really care. I'm just going to continue giving people the same amount of fairness I'd like to be given in return and leave society to its' foibles. You all can keep your privilege and oppression and fights over who's better than who.

Re: 155

[lunarwhirl.livejournal.com]

Yeah. After these anons, I'm less inclined to agree with them. Putting other people down when they're just trying to accept themselves? Not helping their cause. In fact, it's just making them look like they're trying to put other people down to make themselves feel better. Depending on how you look at it, it also makes them look childish, insecure and bitter.

Present your side of the story like you and the other person are human beings, regardless of what "side" they or you are on. It can work wonders. Don't just charge in with inflammatory statements and expect them to not say "Hey, fuck you."

Re: 155

[vilify.livejournal.com]

Why? Because she agrees that women should be regarded equally regardless of size? OH NOES!

[(Anonymous)]

155. If you ARE a barbie, that's freaking terrifying. Because it means your boobs are something like EE, and that does not look good on a skinny girl.

[lunarwhirl.livejournal.com]

Ew, I know, right? It takes all kinds to make a world, you know? Why aren't we ALL real women?

Plus, I watched this documentary on what would happen if Barbie were real and apparently the consensus was that she'd either fall over her teensy feet or snap in half. :x

[(Anonymous)]

It takes all kinds to make a world, you know? Why aren't we ALL real women?

Exactly. You don't have to say another person is ugly to feel beautiful.

[lunarwhirl.livejournal.com]

THIS. YES. EXACTLY. And anyone who does say another person, thin or not, is ugly in order to do so? Isn't. Ever. Whether they're a supermodel or not.

Oh waah waah mutherfucking waaah! Cry moar!

[(Anonymous)]

155. Yes, you're so opressed and hated on and it suxors!! Why is it so hard to be skinny in this culture!?! *sobsob*

Re: Oh waah waah mutherfucking waaah! Cry moar!

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think she said she was oppressed. She said she didn't accept being insulted for her body type. Which yeah, is perhaps part of her thin privilege. But it's a good part. That's a healthy response to somebody insulting your body type--fuck you, I'm fine the way I am.

That's what larger women should be able to do too, to say "fuck you, my body is beautiful" and mean it. That's a better attitude than, "Yeah, well at least I'm not like those women over there! Let's talk about how they're not deserving of being accepted!"

Re: Oh waah waah mutherfucking waaah! Cry moar!

[lunarwhirl.livejournal.com]

Thank you. That's exactly what I was saying. Can't we all be considered "real" without being at each other's throats? And you know what? I get people telling me to "eat something" all the time. It can go both ways. I've seen larger women who I find absolutely beautiful and thin women who repulse me (mostly because of their attitude), and vice-versa.

Newsflash: it's how you treat people that matters. If you're thin and look down on "fat" people, you fucking fail. Period. But if you're what could be considered overweight and say shit like a couple of anons above (although, admittedly, I don't know their weights and don't care either way), you're just as bad.

[lunarwhirl.livejournal.com]

Where did I say I was oppressed? I mean, yeah, I'm a minority and a woman and have been discriminated against (sometimes severely) because of this. I've had my mother try to get me to gain weight to be the same as hers. I've also had several people telling me to "eat something." Excuse me for having the nerve to accept myself as I am. Maybe if you could do the same, you wouldn't be spewing this venomous bullshit at other people.

Re: 145, 155, 166

[(Anonymous)]

Really? I'm a size 9 (down from 11/12) and I still get treated like I'm not a real person because I'm viewed as "heavier". But I am glad that some one like you and the secret poster were both able to stand up for thin girls everywhere. It's not like you get respect in the media or when looking for jobs, or in terms of general day-today politeness.

Re: 145, 155, 166

[lunarwhirl.livejournal.com]

Actually? Women, "fat" or "thin", generally don't get respect in the media (fetishization, anyone? It also doesn't help that I'm half-Asian, and Goddess forbid that Asians of any kind weigh more than five pounds) or when looking for jobs (my boss constantly belittles me because I'M A GIIIIIRRRRL, my last boss hired me because they had too many guys, one of my managers is constantly telling me to eat). All I'm saying is that we should all be treated as human beings, and the "fuck them all" was directed towards people who try and make us all feel like acceptance is a dirty word.

Hey, look! Your close-mindedness is showing. :D Fuck off.

Re: 145, 155, 166

[(Anonymous)]

So we all deserve more respect...except people who disagree with you, who should fuck off? Is this one of those "don't point out some one's bad grammar, lest you massively fail your language as you try to correct" kind of things or what? And no, I don't just mean you. :D

In any event, I was being more flippant than close-minded. Like I said, I've experienced a lot of weight fluctuation and that, combined with my own culture being fetishized (can you say "Spicy Latina"?) has made me pretty sensitive about the subject as well. If you want to talk culture, try being a scrawny pre-pubescent ("Ay, you will never have curves") filling out ("Fatty!" "Hip huggers are sooo sexy on you"), blowing up ("Get you're fat bitch ass over here!"), dropping it all in a very unhealthy way ("You look so beautiful, aren't you going to eat anything? You're grandmother will be sad..." "I like my women with more meat on them"), and still never quite feeling I was "womanly" and "desirable" yet, thanks to conflicting views from neighbors, family, and the media. So, yeah, I feel like I have a good view from my perspective, not that you'd know everything, what with me being anonymous and all.

Seriously, my main problem was with the "fuck them all" And that sentence explaining who the "fuck them all" was directed at really was helpful. I completely agree with you on that point; I think (and I've seen this elsewhere in this FS post) that unfortunately, this whole discussion has turned into a "who is more oppressed" pissing contest, when ultimately, your reaction is probably a more accurate reading of the secret. But just as it must push your buttons to be put down for being thin or getting compared to Barbie, the implication that celebrating heavier women inherently puts down skinny women is frustrating and makes for angry comments. And that is how a lot of people are reading you and the secret. So I'll apologize for being flippant. But you know, fuck you too.

[lunarwhirl.livejournal.com]

Uh, no. Thanks for the misinterpretation. I don't give a damn if people disagree - it's when they feel like they have to disagree by putting people down and throwing on their Victim Hats (and I don't care what "side" they're on; Victim Hats are annoying on anyone) that they cross the line.

Yeah. I'm half latina as well, so I totally get what you're saying (also, it shows in my own butt, which constantly gets remarked upon to the point I just wanna slap people). Even "family" members had remarked upon it, and I was harassed by my step-father as well (though nothing horrific came of it).

Yeah; I really have poor wording most of the time, and my bad temper doesn't help. D| And why can't we accept and celebrate both equally? Why do we even have to put each other down? Fuck the media; we all know they're full of shit anyway. Why can't we just act like people? And meh, I don't care.