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⌈ Secret Post #739 ⌋

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168. Actually, yeah. There are plenty of interesting female characters in many fandoms.

Not if you think only a peen can make some one interesting!

I don't argue that for a single breath.

I just don't care for the ones in most of my fandoms.

You list Pan's Labyrinth as an interest.
LotR: Eowyn?
ST TOS: Uhura?
Also, I'm sure cat_macros has many interesting female cats.

If you need more from female characters than the above, have you ever asked yourself why you have stuck to these fandoms, when there are many others with both amazing male and female characters. Maybe you just don't want icky girls to get in the way?

It's precious how you think you can read my mind and know what I like or what I stick to or how I think. Really, it is. Kind of like a 3-year-old trying to use words with more than 4 syllables.

Pan's Labyrinth is a very, very good story, but if you're referring to the film's lead role, I have no particular feeling one way or another about her. But I also don't think of female children characters the same way as female adults. Children are far more androgynous.

Yes, I do like Eowyn. Congratulations, you have managed to very cleverly sleuth your way to finding one single fictional female in all the millions of mankind's fictions spanning the history of our species' ability to communicate thoughts in a coherent and lasting way.

Bravo.

Had you looked at my icons, you would have found another.

I can, in fact, list a number of other female characters who I really like. I won't, because it's irrelivant, but I assure you they exist.

I am still exponentially less likely to read a book with a female lead, or have any particular fondness for women in movies or television shows. I don't necessarily hate them, I just don't like them.

It has nothing to do with women. It has to do with the way people think they behave and how they are portrayed as a result. It's rare to see a female character who is a character first, then a female. Their gender and often sexuality almost universally come into play at some point in the story in ways that come off to me as grating, insincere, formulaic, or downright unnecessary. Their gender is their character to a large extent -- far more commonly and more significantly than many male characters display an active relationship with their own gender.

Now, I'm not saying any of that is a bad thing. I'm just saying I don't find it interesting. I don't relate to it, ergo, it is boring to me, the same reason a lot of girls would get very bored watching cartoons aimed at a male audience. The female characters I like are characters I like because they have something special. The same reason I like male chracters I like. They have something unique and compelling about them, to my mind, that exists outside of the nature of their reproductive organs. Within the confines of the kinds of stories I like, these characters happen not to show up often. It's not mysogeny. It's "I don't give a crap what's between your legs, you're boring."

Within the confines of the kinds of stories I like, these characters happen not to show up often. It's not mysogeny. It's "I don't give a crap what's between your legs, you're boring."

I am still exponentially less likely to read a book with a female lead, or have any particular fondness for women in movies or television shows. I don't necessarily hate them, I just don't like them.

These two statements contradict one another. You obviously do care at least somewhat what's between their legs. It's not misogyny, no, but it is sexist to automatically think that a work of fiction with a female lead has a higher likelihood of being boring than a work of fiction with a male lead. It sounds like you scrutinize female characters more than you do male ones; you've already set the bar higher for them from the get-go.

A lot of movies and TV shows do a really bad job of making their female characters as real and human as their male characters. It's not the fault of the women (nor of the viewer), but of the writers who can't seem to include women in their definition of "human being/normal character". I don't think disliking that kind of writing means you dislike female characters.

I don't disagree necessarily with your first statement, but I don't think it should be a cause-and-effect thing. It speaks to an individual's biases as well as the trend of writers.

She isn't even giving them a try, BECAUSE the lead is female. Just because it takes a bit of hit and miss, doesn't mean you should just ignore them.

She is judging works based on whether the lead is male or female. That is sexist.

It also wouldn't surprise me if the standards she sets for men and women are substantially different, just like the secret points out.

Aw, well, if someone's doing that they're missing out on some fantastic characters. I don't know if this LJer is doing that, since I don't know them, and it's easy to misinterpret what someone's saying on this issue. I hope they're not, though!

It has nothing to do with women. It has to do with the way people think they behave and how they are portrayed as a result. It's rare to see a female character who is a character first, then a female.

YES! This is the flip side of what 168 OP is saying, I think, and I agree with both. I *HATE* the way many women are written in fiction. Saying that doesn't mean that I don't like female characters--actually, I love well-written female characters and would like more of them. "This author/TV show/etc fucking sucks at writing women" is not the same as "women suck."

Sometimes it's hard to disentangle the two, though, if 75% of the women in TV are written as stupid idiots. *sighs*

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