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⌈ Secret Post #5141 ⌋

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[fscom]

03. https://i.imgur.com/weke0lk.png

[(Anonymous)]

I am extremely, extremely uncertain whether the major premise ("no one objects when male creators fall in love with their female creation") actually holds true

I think the idea of falling in love with your creation is interesting and sympathetic, to be clear, I'm just uhhhhhh really unsure it's true that people are okay with that. I think people often get skeeved out at the idea of "author interest" shaping how female characters are created in sexualized ways. And I think Pygmalion is in fact frequently a negative reference.

Actual post I saw on Tumblr

[feotakahari]

“Nerdy Male Director: ‘She was quirky and spontaneous and unfathomable. She was completely disarmed and alluring and so full of sunshine. She wanted to be by my side at all times no matter how much I shrugged her off, pained by my history of real women with adult-minds who wouldn’t put up with my unbearable personality. She was a golden retriever. But a human one, with boobs and legs. I made a dog into a woman and she is my dream girl. I have a degree in literature.’”

So yeah, people definitely object to men loving their OCs.

[(Anonymous)]

Interesting and sympathetic? Idk about that. Your own creation is basically helpless, it cannot call you on anything or challenge you in any way you don't want to be challenged, and requests nothing from you in terms of time, attention, responsibility, effort, or maturity. I'd have a hard time being sympathetic to someone who finds nothing at all wrong with calling this love, or interested in any way in their particular interactions

[(Anonymous)]

Falling in love with your own OC is pretty much always cringe though.

Who said it wasn't cringe when men do it?

[(Anonymous)]

Ah OP. I haven't fallen for my OCs, but their relationship is basically my go to happy place these days.

I dunno about AR in particular, but in general women tend to get a harder time over just about everything so yeah, you're probably right.

[(Anonymous)]

Lmfaooo with the Pygmalion reference.

[meadowphoenix]

I mean.......the play my fair lady takes pygmalion and says exactly that about the creator, lmao, which was 1913 so you're not correct OP.

but i actually think you see it less because male authors tend not to make their self-insert girlfriends the protagonist. when they do, I always hear jokes about how the author just wrote someone to wank to.

[(Anonymous)]

My Fair Lady is the musical and Pygmalion is the play, but yes, that's the year of the play.

Producers really fought George Bernard Shaw on the play, because they said audiences wanted a happy ending (the creator and the lady, together) and he was like, nah, that sucks, bro.

At any rate, it's completely understandable that a writer would "fall in love with" a character they create out of whole cloth, if they want the reader to fall in love with them too. This doesn't hurt anybody and the character's fictional.

[(Anonymous)]

You do you, OP. I've never fallen in love with any of my OCs, but I do care about them.

[(Anonymous)]

Pygmalion is a myth and I'm not sure he's getting a pass so much as it is a case of people not really knowing that myth or viewing it in the same way as a real man falling in love with his own creation. I'm also not sure that more contemporary examples of men falling in love with their creation is meeting with approval.

[(Anonymous)]

yeah, I mean...despite it being literally "man falls in love with statue he creates" (I couldn't remember at first lol I looked it up) it's a greek myth and in spite of myths and literature being good ways to teach us things so we don't have to suffer through experiencing themselves? there are no gods to tap our novels or paintings or statues and make the characters real people, so how we handle our infatuations with our own creations is beyond the scope of the myth. if it has anything to say it's that the originator of the myth fully understood that sometimes we creatives get so caught up in our creation that we wish it was real, and that's something common to the human condition for thousands of years. that's it. the rest is fiction on par with human beings being thrown into the sky to become constellations.

[(Anonymous)]

Really you're going to reference greek myth as your counter point? Really?

[(Anonymous)]

I was recently thinking about a greentext I see pop up every so often that kind of bothers me that way - “The Ballad of Ella”, about the narrator and his best friend falling for the same woman, Ella, in college. Ella dates best friend, narrator dates another woman, but he and Ella still flirt and bond over video games, eventually falling asleep (but that’s all!) together. Ella breaks up with bf, narrator’s gf sadly but understandingly tells narrator he should go be with Ella. Ella dies in an accident but there’s a last letter with a gift copy of their favorite out-of-print game. Narrator marries his ex-girlfriend but keeps the letter framed.

It’s supposedly autobiographical,
but the way it’s written feels... very idealized romance novel, just with different sexes than the norm (and stereotypical interests, physical focuses, etc., also switched). Also, greentext language.

Most take it at face value, as true. But the comments that express skepticism of it being true largely say they don’t care, they’re still sobbing, crying, wishing for their Ella; anyone who doesn’t think so is cold or lying - on boards that will occasionally pull out “still a better love story than Twilight”.

[(Anonymous)]

Finally a secret about something that someone would actually be embarrassed to admit in real life.

[(Anonymous)]

I know, right? I like this board well enough when's it's UnpopularPuffin2021 but actual secrets are my jam.

[(Anonymous)]

No, men are also criticised for this behaviour. As they should be. That's hardly Anne Rice's only problem though.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, it's one thing to love your OC a bit too much and then there's going as much off the rails as Anne Rice did.

[(Anonymous)]

If you want to claim disparity in how female creators who are infatuated with their own creations are treated vs male creators who are infatuated with their own creations, it would help to pick a male example that isn't 1) mythological and 2) a couple millennia out of date.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm pretty certain I have read a hot take about Pygmalion being an incel. I've definitely read it about Dante for writing a self-insert novel based on mythology, so in any case I'd not be shocked.

[(Anonymous)]

People in this thread have some very weird ideas of what love is. I love my dog, but I don't think he's my equal and deserves the same rights as I do. I don't want my dog to "challenge" me, I want him to obey me. That doesn't mean I don't love him. If a robot could look and sound enough like a human to fulfill my social needs, I would marry them. And the fact that I could customize them to never get bored with me talking about canons I love, and to have exactly the same sexual preferences as me, and political views as me, and to always be in the mood of going out when I am in a mood to go out, and to stay in when I don't feel like going out, all of that would be a feature, not a bug, and would definitely make me love them more.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, it's the people in the thread who are the weird ones.......

[(Anonymous)]

Jesus. O_o

I mean, I'd program a robot to behave as though it loved me and be my perfect companion, too, but I am wildly aware that's fucked up. I am fucked up.

[(Anonymous)]

lmfao buddy... i think some self reflection is in order...

[(Anonymous)]

Holy shit. I am full up with issues about sex and intimacy and trust and even I'm freaked out by this idea. So, so much nope nightmare fuel right here.

Either it'd be an object that could love you less than any animal, like a fuckable toaster, or if it was conscious and feeling in any way you would have a, well, I was gonna say sex slave, but you couldn't brainwash anything alive that thoroughly, so you would have a relationship slave incapable of saying no and thus of consent.

Like, in a world where custom-programmed sexbots on the toaster level existed, would I maybe buy one? Possibly. Would I love it the way I love my pets or family or if I wasn't so messed up, a romantic partner?

No, not unless it was, well, a robot person with its own feelings and ability to choose not to be with me, in which case buying it would be slavery and thus reprehensible.

Also, I want my pets to obey me insofar as I would prefer they not, say, dig up and eat my garden or shit outside the litterbox. I don't demand they love me on command no matter how I treat them.