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⌈ Secret Post #5141 ⌋

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[(Anonymous)]

People in this thread have some very weird ideas of what love is. I love my dog, but I don't think he's my equal and deserves the same rights as I do. I don't want my dog to "challenge" me, I want him to obey me. That doesn't mean I don't love him. If a robot could look and sound enough like a human to fulfill my social needs, I would marry them. And the fact that I could customize them to never get bored with me talking about canons I love, and to have exactly the same sexual preferences as me, and political views as me, and to always be in the mood of going out when I am in a mood to go out, and to stay in when I don't feel like going out, all of that would be a feature, not a bug, and would definitely make me love them more.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, it's the people in the thread who are the weird ones.......

[(Anonymous)]

Well, if you think it's a good idea to date a trump voter to "challenge" yourself, as opposed to looking for someone who shares your interests and views...

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT--I don't think that's a good idea because we'd both be miserable. Any human is a challenge to get to know, much less be in a relationship with; a programmable robot is the opposite of a challenge.

If someone/thing can't chose not to love you if you mistreat them, then you don't love it like you do another living thing, you love it like your favorite comfy sweater or whatever. Or in this case I guess a dildo or fleshlight. And those are just things.

[(Anonymous)]

Programming a robot is quite a challenge, I assure you. And if I could have a conversation about my favourite canon with my dildo I'd choose it over spending another minute talking with you for sure.

[(Anonymous)]

Jesus. O_o

I mean, I'd program a robot to behave as though it loved me and be my perfect companion, too, but I am wildly aware that's fucked up. I am fucked up.

[(Anonymous)]

Why is it fucked up? No more than programming your fridge to always keep your food cold, instead of choosing to rebel against you and keeping it warm, because you have some strange ideas about objects deserving sentience for some reason.

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT--dude, no one sane loves their fridge the way they love another human or a dog or a, idk, pet Gila monster.

One is a convenience that makes your life easier. The others are people or creatures with various degrees of autonomy, from being able to argue politics to biting you if you hit them (okay people can also do that but).

I am deeply fucked up about sex, relationships, and even friendship. I hope I never am (or meet, yikes) anyone who thinks like you.

Living animals, including humans =/= objects.

[(Anonymous)]

A dog doesn't have an autonomy in deciding their own sex life. Breeders chose their partners, and owners choose to sterilize them. You said it yourself: "various degrees of autonomy". I dare say that's much worse than programming a robot, because at least unlike a dog, a robot's feelings won't be hurt if you don't program it with the ability to choose a different romantic partner.

I don't require my robot to be 1:1 imitation of a human, I only need it to be close enough in order to to kickstart my brain's antropomorphism instincts. Tumblr is filled with stories from people who are doing things like holding their roomba's during thunderstorms so it won't "feel scared". It doesn't take much to fool the human brain into thinking its interacting with a thinking, feeling being. But just because your brain got fooled, it doesn't mean that the thing really is a thinking, feeling being and deserves the same rights as one.

[(Anonymous)]

SA

And of course people don't love their fridge like they love other people or animals. Because you can't have a conversation with your fridge, and it doesn't react to your actions or emote. But look at this robot, that already exists and you can buy it right now, and tell me that it doesn't trigger an emotional response from you: https://youtu.be/Qy2Z2TWAt6A

And this is only the beginning. I expect robots in the future to be even better at imitating a living, thinking being. Still, I don't think they deserve rights of real living beings or we should cry their eyes out because they have no ability to rebel against our orders. It's enough for them to do their job of fulfilling our social and emotional needs.

[(Anonymous)]

lmfao buddy... i think some self reflection is in order...

[(Anonymous)]

I think the same about you.

[(Anonymous)]

Holy shit. I am full up with issues about sex and intimacy and trust and even I'm freaked out by this idea. So, so much nope nightmare fuel right here.

Either it'd be an object that could love you less than any animal, like a fuckable toaster, or if it was conscious and feeling in any way you would have a, well, I was gonna say sex slave, but you couldn't brainwash anything alive that thoroughly, so you would have a relationship slave incapable of saying no and thus of consent.

Like, in a world where custom-programmed sexbots on the toaster level existed, would I maybe buy one? Possibly. Would I love it the way I love my pets or family or if I wasn't so messed up, a romantic partner?

No, not unless it was, well, a robot person with its own feelings and ability to choose not to be with me, in which case buying it would be slavery and thus reprehensible.

Also, I want my pets to obey me insofar as I would prefer they not, say, dig up and eat my garden or shit outside the litterbox. I don't demand they love me on command no matter how I treat them.

[(Anonymous)]

Your pets had no choice in being with you, you chose to adopt them, often taking them from their mothers when they were pups. Does this mean you don't love your pets, because you never gave them the choice to remain with their parents over coming to live in your house? If you have a dog or a cat, then presumably you have sterilized them. Did you ask them for their consent before you did that?

Animals, and robots for that matter, aren't people and things like "consent" and "free will" don't apply to them the way they apply to humans. You can program a robot to "feel" love for you (well, as much as a metal thing with no hormones is capable of feeling anything) but simultaneously not to feel" the need to disobey you.

[(Anonymous)]

If your pets don’t love you, you’ll know. Quite frequently, a pet isn’t that affectionate towards their primary caregiver, either because they just aren’t that affectionate to begin with or because they like someone else better. Also, having a romantic relationship with your pets is morally repugnant, largely because they can’t consent. So, basically, your entire argument is bullshit. Also, you should not have pets.

[(Anonymous)]

It's perfectly legal for me to mate my dog with my neighbor's dog. I didn't set up my dog on a date with multiple other digs, so he could choose the partner that he likes most. And like I said, I didn't ask my dog for permission before castrating him. Because dogs aren't people and don't deserve the same rights and consideration in making choices about their romantic and sexual life as people do. The reason why fucking your dog is illegal is because it harms the animal. Your vibrator isn't going to be harmed by you sticking it up your vag, even if it's programmed to have conversations with you that make it sound as if you were talking to a human. Like I said above, this thing: https://youtu.be/Qy2Z2TWAt6A triggers an emotional response in people as if it were a pet, but it's not a pet and it wouldn't be immoral for you to break it (or have sex with it, if that's how you roll).

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT--okay, as much as I love them, pets=/=people. The balance with domestic animals especially is more towards duty of care than respecting their autonomy.

I make sure my hens don't eat styrofoam even though they love it, because it's bad for them. I had my male dog sterilized because ge would be at lower risk for cancer and live a longer safer life without his balls, poor guy.

When I frighten or cause pain to an animal, I feel bad about it, try to minimize it if I'm doing it on purpose (giving pills or meds that they don't like the taste of, transferring to a carrier to take to the vet, etc) or apologize if I tripped over them or whatever.

And insofar as you can "program" pets (or people!) you do it by treating them well or badly. If you treat them well, they'll hopefully like you; if you treat them poorly, not so much.

The only baby animals I've ever adopted were chickens that would otherwise have been food for someone. I don't eat meat and my longest lived hen was 16 when she died.

The dogs and one cat have been adult strays or in one case a puppy that was going to be put down from shelters, the other cats just showed up and stayed when I treated them well.

(Most) people are capable of more autonomy and conscious choice than most domestic animals, so you have to respect their autonomy more, or if they're babies, give them the education and tools to become autonomous thinkers as adults while also protecting, providing, and caring for them.

The less a person is able to think and care for themselves, the more ethically fraught their situation and the more debate there is about what people who care (or should care) for them owe them to give them good lives, and what constitutes a good life.

Insofar as a person is capable of autonomy without harming others, and provided they're capable of understanding concepts like autonomy and consent, we should respect their rights to act as individuals.

Idk it's 4 am and I'm not sure I'd have the brains or vocab to articulate fully why your position freaks me out even at noon after a good night's sleep, a meal, and coffee.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm aware of it all and none of it has jackshit to do with the supposed immorality of fucking a robot. Prove to me that robots are people and deserve to be programmed with the full autonomy equal to that of a human being. We aren't talking about the morality of fucking animals, you weirdos. Honestly, I think you're intentionally derailing the discussion, because you know I'm right and you have no good argument against my point, so you prefer to attack a strawman instead. I only gave an example with pets to point out that you can genuinely feel the feeling of love towards something and still think you can make decisions for it.