[ SECRET POST #5209 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5209 ⌋

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Comments

[philstar22]

I have never heard a pro-shipper say anything about pedophelia in real life, and if they did that would be an awful thing entirely separate from what side they were on the pro/anti debate.

the Pro/anti- debate is entirely about whether fiction is fiction and people can read what they want as long as it doesn't affect real life, or whether it is okay to judge people by what fiction they read and tell them what they can and cannot read, and that some things are wrong even when fictional (those things being usually some specific things, not everything wrong, like most antis don't think it is wrong to read about murder) and that people who read those things are bad people.

AYRT

[(Anonymous)]

I think there's a lot of focus on "does media influence things" when I personally think it needs more to be "is this something I need to publically post and interact with people about," mainly regarding the openly child/adult porn items.

Like, there is a lot of stuff that goes around that shows that people who have been big into that sort of fetishization have done porn fanart of real children. So it's not just "this person is not and will not harm real-life children" and more "it's really fucking hard to tell which is which and maybe sexualized images of 10 year olds shouldn't be posted on the internet"

Re: AYRT

[feotakahari]

Well, the idea was that it would be in a separate sphere from the “public.” An Archive of Our Own.

Re: AYRT

[(Anonymous)]

... you say this as if AO3 is somehow apart of the world at large? wtf

Re: AYRT

[(Anonymous)]

The vast majority of people in RL have no idea whatever that it exists, so yeah. You need to get your head above the fandom parapet more often.

Re: AYRT

[(Anonymous)]

Hummmm,I'm a bit sceptical there. Do you have concrete examples (names)? If it's true, yuck!

Re: AYRT

[feotakahari]

I saw this on Bad RPers Suck once. Someone traced a photo of a child, gave her green skin, and played her as an orc girl in an underage NSFW roleplay. Also, I think there was some scandal with Shadman, but Shadman likes pissing off everyone he can.

Re: AYRT

[(Anonymous)]

Twitter moves really fast, so I can't find it specifically anymore. But one recently is a male artist who was commonly known for cutesy art of girls (as in children, not as in the way we refer to grown women as girls). And people found his harder-to-find and closed groups included him posting pornographic art of real children.

I do think there is a good discussion being had recently on how we typically do find pin up/suggestive art of 15-16 year old girls gross, but don't have that same knee jerk with that of boys of the similar age. But there was a recently pile-on for a fanartist of My Hero Academia that was pretty wild, and I don't think entirely warranted.

[(Anonymous)]

I think sexualization in media does have an overall social effect of supporting cultural sexism, heterocentrism, transphobia, and racism. And in my own space, I'm reasonably vocal about that criticism. But I somehow never get called an "anti," largely because I think that criticizing individual fans (much less harassing them) is a waste of time. I have better things to do with my time than hate-read fanwork.

But I also think the practice of harassing others off of social media (and potentially out of jobs as well) is shitty politics as well, and ultimately supports the same techbro structures that enable shit like 4chan trolling ops and gamergators. Worse, I think that social media capitalists were quite willing to support that kind of activism for data and advertising clicks, at least up to the point where its proponents attempted to assassinate the U.S. VP and congresspersons. This sort of activity is routinely used to make social media a hostile environment for women and LGBTQ people.

And frankly, having been around the block on that multiple times, having been on both sides of that dynamic, it's abundantly clear to me that the social-justice goals are secondary to just having an excuse to acting like an asshole to other people.

[philstar22]

I totally agree with you on overall trends, I just don't think that translates to individual kinks and preferences. And I think the distinction between criticizing overall trends and criticizing individuals is important. As far I understand it, antis are the ones criticizing individuals and calling them bad people for liking certain things in fiction, so you wouldn't be considered one.