[ SECRET POST #5210 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5210 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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[The Owl House]


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[Black Mirror]


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[Grey's Anatomy]


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[The Rookie/ Mass Effect]


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[Eternal Love]












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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I mean, if you're just talking about his dialogue style, I might agree. It might be unpopular these days, but I liked Buffyspeak and I liked his Avengers-style banter. (I even still like Sorkin's dialogue.)

But I really don't need more "kickass/traumatized women", at least not in the kinds of stories that Whedon tends to tell.

And I'm not sure I can bear to watch James Norton overact a role as a

[(Anonymous)]

*And I'm not sure I can bear to watch James Norton overact a role as a "a pansexual posh boy whose charm has about five years left on its lease".

[(Anonymous)]

Is Sorkin's style of dialogue not popular anymore? :(

[(Anonymous)]

People think he's maybe a bit repetitive.

[(Anonymous)]

And too preachy and grandiose. I feel like every time he's name-checked in an article (most of which aren't even about him), it's all criticism or sort of eye-rolling/head shaking.

But I still love his dialogue...West Wing, Sports Night, the Newswroom, whatever.

[(Anonymous)]

It doesn't help that his more recent shows (Newsroom and Studio 60) have been pretty bad in terms of the non-dialogue aspects of the shows

[(Anonymous)]

DA - Chiming in to say I still love Sorkin's stuff. West Wing is one of my favorite shows. Hell, I even thought The Newsroom was genuinely good, albeit a bit flawed. IDK, I guess it's true his writing can be pretty self-righteous, but IMO the points he makes with his shows very evidently stand to be made. I mean, I just don't agree that it's obnoxious for Sorkin to write shows where the characters ally themselves against right wing zealotry and corporate greed, when rightwing zealotry and corporate greed are...kind of a huge problem for the world right now, and certainly for America.

Like, his whole "speaking truth to stupid" approach might be insufferable to me...if the glorification of close-minded ignorance weren't such a huge issue, now more than ever.

[(Anonymous)]

Part of the problem is that online media discourse is a lot more weighted towards the left wing than it used to be, whereas Sorkin is very much in the centrist liberal Clintonite tradition of the Democratic Party, or even center-right Lincoln Project types, and you can really tell. So it's hard for a lot of observers to give him credit for criticizing the right when he's also punching left.

But also, he doesn't help himself with the way he writes his politics overall - it's not just that it's self-righteous, but what bothers me is that the way he writes politics always relies on knocking down strawmen. And I don't think that's satisfactory even when I agree with the politics.

Honestly, the way that he writes politics reminds me of the way he writes when he's using his show to lecture online critics about how dumb they are for criticizing him - and that kind of thing, that approach, is really at the core of what I find aggravating about his style. (also, the end of West Wing s2 is horseshit and I'll never forgive him for it)

[(Anonymous)]

Unrelated to anon’s comment, but I hate it that people apparently credit Whedon with creating this type of dialogue, i.e.: Buffyspeak. I mean, teenagers talked like that for YEARS before Buffy was on the air. I’d concede that Whedon may have popularized it, but he sure as hell didn’t invent it.

Sorry for the hijack, anon, personal pet peeve. But I 1000% agree with being over the kickass/traumatized woman trope that Whedon inserts in everything he writes.

[(Anonymous)]

It didn't show up on TV much before Whedon though, but you're right

(I remember reading this great old linguistic anthropology paper from the 90s about the linguistic practices of teenage nerd girls and it was definitely along the lines of what we call Whedonspeak (one of the girls even chose "Fred" as her alias))

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT
I do get the pet peeve, young women are generally ahead of the curve on linguistic innovation and almost never get the credit, while getting a lot of criticism for “destroying language”.