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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2021-08-03 05:58 pm

[ SECRET POST #5324 ]


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(Anonymous) 2021-08-04 12:50 am (UTC)(link)
I have a thing for prickly, intelligent assholes who act aloof and indifferent but are full of deep inner turmoil and insecurity. So I might still like him even now. But there's also a distinct chance I wouldn't, because yeah, being insensitive and hurtful because other people are stupid and you're sick of dealing with idiots (or whatever) feels like immature, judgmental bullshit, far more than it used to.

I still love those characters when the narrative recognizes their bullshit as bullshit, recognizes that they're a bit pathetic underneath is all, and challenges them to change. But when the narrative instead seems to uncritically glory in how much smarter and cooler and better they are than all the sheeple, that's a huge nope from me.

From what I recall, there was some of both in House. He was framed as both awesome and a mess. But I suspect the narrative came down a bit too much on the "awesome" side of the equation for my present-day liking--even if I ignore the later seasons.

(Anonymous) 2021-08-04 01:09 am (UTC)(link)
That's what I liked about Dr. Cox from Scrubs, that he was like a House who didn't always have the narrative on his side(sometimes). But even he suffers from me growing past thinking characters like him are awesome.

(Anonymous) 2021-08-04 01:21 am (UTC)(link)
I think what saves Dr. Cox on Scrubs is that even when he's right the show never pretends that he's not an asshole or that he wouldn't be better off both professionally and personally if he'd get the fuck over himself for five minutes. House buys into the myth that asshole behavior is the price you pay for genius, and that got old about a million years ago.

(Anonymous) 2021-08-04 10:13 am (UTC)(link)
Agreed.

(Anonymous) 2021-08-04 05:34 pm (UTC)(link)
The BBC Sherlock writers clearly never got that memo.

(Anonymous) 2021-08-04 06:45 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh man, they so deeply missed this memo.

I genuinely struggle to believe the writers were as enamored with and uncritical of Sherlock as they seem to have been. I just- like- really?

(Anonymous) 2021-08-04 06:32 am (UTC)(link)
Iirc the show made sure we'd place House on the awesome side by having other, supposedly non-asshole characters behave in ways that made us sympathize with him. Vogler, who was right about House being dangerous, but thought his money put him in charge of the hospital and fired Wilson. Tritter, whom House essentially assaulted and who was right about House forging prescriptions, but went over the top with harassment. Even Cuddy and Wilson, who gaslight House about being right about that paralyzed wheelchair patient to humble him and keep up the ruse even after the resulting self-doubts push House back into a downward spiral. I don't think viewers would have accepted as much genius asshole behavior, even back then, if his critics hadn't repeatedly being turned into villains or the ones taking it too far, thus setting us up to root for House.

NAYRT

(Anonymous) 2021-08-04 10:16 am (UTC)(link)
Which I think is a really cheap and lazy way make House sympathetic. But I enjoyed the show enough that it still worked on me every time lol.