[ SECRET POST #5342 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5342 ⌋

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[fscom]

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[(Anonymous)]

I mean, Hermione being Black has some basis in Cursed Child canon, at least.

But other than that, hard agree. Still have no idea where the hell the Indian!Harry fanon came from, but it's so rife now you're practically burned at the stake if you don't explicitly describe him that way.

[(Anonymous)]

Is it? Man I'm glad I got out of HP fandom before all this. It's such a load of ridiculous shite.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

Yes, she was played by a Black actress in the stage production. It's almost as if book characters can look any way you want them to in your imagination!! What a concept!

[(Anonymous)]

I hate having to say this but I never understood latching onto Harry as potentially Indian - or anything other than Anglo-Saxon - when there are too many canon clues against it. That his bloodline literally goes back to Saxon or even Pictish and he's a direct male-line descendent of those peoples who have been in England for 2000 years. That he went to the Ball with a lovely Indian girl who might have had a lot to say about their family histories if he was also Indian. That his mother's side has explicit descriptions of hair and eye color. Yes, HP as a franchise could have been a lot better about diversity but this particular fanon is not the answer it needs.

Make more people besides just Parvati and Padma Indian. Make more people than Blaise Zabini black. Just pick characters that don't have a shitload of descriptions competing against the concept. Hell, pick major characters if you want! Dumbledore has the only descriptors of a lengthy snowy beard and crooked nose, he could be any ethnicity!

[(Anonymous)]

His bloodline the what now?

I agree with the rest of what you're saying but where does this come from?

[(Anonymous)]

That his bloodline literally goes back to Saxon or even Pictish and he's a direct male-line descendent of those peoples who have been in England for 2000 years.

Unless his paternal ancestors were very inbred, I don't see how this proves anything. I mean, there are real life Black people who can trace their ancestry to Thomas Jefferson, you know? I agree with your broader point, but I don't think this particular argument offers good support for it.

[kittenmommy]

I mean, Hermione being Black has some basis in Cursed Child canon, at least.

That's the least of Cursed Child's problems, IMO.

And honestly? It's not a problem. They can cast whoever they want.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think that people do this to feel better about liking Harry Potter, I think people do this because they like and enjoy it

[(Anonymous)]

+1

When I read HP fic, Hermione on my mind is Black/mixed, because growing up her hair was described likeine etc. And i just like to imagine it that way *shrug*

[(Anonymous)]

+1, she had bushy hair and was the daughter of husband-and-wife dentists from London. The dentists I saw as a kid were a husband-and-wife practice and they were of Caribbean descent (I think Jamaican but I'm not actually sure about that) so Hermione in my head instantly looked like their kid would look.

[(Anonymous)]

Do you feel the same way about people who depict characters as POC in every other fandom, or just HP?

[(Anonymous)]

Not secret op, but harry potter fandom is often bizarrely aggressive about these specific ethnic headcanons to the point where I have seen people try to argue that not drawing/writing harry (and James) as indian and/or Hermione as black is "suspect," and hassling people who don't adhere to those headcanons

[(Anonymous)]

I know, but that's not really what the secret is about. The secret is that OP thinks people do this to assuage their guilt about still liking HP. That it's performative and insincere. I don't really buy that.

I've seen it in other fandoms too.

[chamonix]

I like the idea of Indian Harry, but Indian Harry canon tends to be from fans who aren't British. It's hard to understand the intricacies of different countries' social makeup, but nothing JKR wrote about the Potters' history gels with them being desi. If it had been written differently, it could have worked - the UK and south asia obviously have a long and storied history - but as is, it doesn't work.

The thing that bugs me most about this art is that Ginny has brown eyes, not blue.

[(Anonymous)]

I have unreasonable hostility against the "Hermione is black and you're racist if she isn't" people because I'd been headcanoning her as Ashkenazi Jewish since CoS came out. Hi black people aren't the only ones who have hair angst! And it was really the first time I'd ever met a character whose relationship with her "bushy" brown hair felt familiar!

But no hdi think my "white Hermione" headcanon is more important than having her be canonically black.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think there's anything unreasonable about your hostility.

[(Anonymous)]

Except there is, but at least they're aware of it. Getting hostile because other headcanons don't align with yours is absurd.

[(Anonymous)]

cry more

[(Anonymous)]

hi-5 from a fellow white person with extremely bushy curly hair. I thought it was nice to see a character that had hair like mine, because usually when you see characters with curly hair in fiction, it's the nice, neat, perfect smooth ringlets kind, not the kind that looks like you stuck your finger in a socket.

[(Anonymous)]

it's so refreshing to see different flavor of white character.

[(Anonymous)]

Lmao what? Thinking your headcanon is more important than canon is childish and entitled. That's agreed upon as bad fandom etiquette no matter what type of headcanon it is.

[(Anonymous)]

I've read the textal evidence that people have used to show that Hermione could be black.... and it seems lowkey racist? In one part Harry sees Hermione and Ron after a summer apart and Hermione is described as "very brown." Like the author is trying to say how tanned she got and POC get darker in the sun too, but it's a weird way for Harry to describe his black friend? Plus how everybody acts when Hermione smoothes her hair out for the Yule Ball.

[(Anonymous)]

Plus how everybody acts when Hermione smoothes her hair out for the Yule Ball.

Huh? The way white people trip when someone presses out or relaxes their hair, that's like the only time i could see hermione as a black girl.

[(Anonymous)]

I mean, I personally always saw Hermione as black and I think that implying all people saw the characters the same way until fan art came out is kinda narrow minded? Also, food for thought as a fan artist myself: drawing these characters for the past like 15 years in the same way, and seeing everybody doing character art with the same designs, gets really boring. Personally, I've started drawing characters as different races and such just to shake things up. I dont draw desi Lily to make some statement, I do it because I'm bored