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⌈ Secret Post #5346 ⌋

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[(Anonymous)]

Chinese person here albeit someone born in North America. I'm not quite qualified to talk about mainland Chinese but there still exists very bad blood about the Japanese from those of older generations. Particularly those whose grandparents/parents had to flee from the Japanese in WW2.

I have friends whose parents vehemently hate the Japanese and in my parents generation you would have been socially isolated if you married a Japanese person. It's less so in the current generation now but I imagine it's a bigger thing in the mainland.

Another issue is that Japan has never apologized or even acknowledged the war crimes perpetrated by them ever. Talking to some Japanese people, it's not even a part of the history they are taught and it's not something that is widely talked about it in Japan. Add into the fact that the Chinese government encourages people to remember Nanking and the atrocities it's still pretty vivid in people's minds.

To put in perspective it's akin to taking a tourist pic at a place commemorating Nazis. A little less extreme than that but it's the closest western equivalency I can think of. So if the guy is getting his career tanked it makes a lot of sense....

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, I know this. What I'm saying is... was it a deliberate move on his part?

[(Anonymous)]

People don't care if it was deliberate or not. It's still a bad look and considering that a lot of pop stars are involved politically with the government one way or another specifically in China particularly, it's honestly not a surprise there's huge outcry about it.

If it's not the fans of this generation who don't care as much about Japanese war crimes, sponsors would immediately drop him just for the whole issue.

[(Anonymous)]

People don't care if it was deliberate or not.

Oughtn't they?

[(Anonymous)]

Welllll it's up to the fans then how they want to deal with it I guess.

The Chinese government has a considerable amount of social control so to go against that or disagree is political, economic and social suicide more or less for the star themselves.

Not to say that there are ways to go against certain bans/censors or that people blindly follow the government in China but I don't see a lot of people caring about the situation to that degree aside from the diehard fans.

I mean its not a surprising move in western society either. Just look at cancel culture. If you're arguing that people should care then it's more of an individualistic argument. Some people care about distinctions, a good vocal majority don't. Should people care? Ideally yes but a lot of folk like being outraged and yelling about it despite the actual intent of the subject in question.

[(Anonymous)]

Cancel culture doesn't actually exist though, plenty of abusers and rapists have come back to restart their careers and while people might get fired for being shit-heels, they're not barred from the industry or erased like they were never there.

Individuals are given the choice to support or not support who they want, it's not mandated by the industry to this, honestly scary, extent.

[(Anonymous)]

Wellllll that's what happens when the government has social control. I guess if you're not familiar with how the Chinese govt works this must all be very scary and fucky in comparison. Not to say it isn't but to call it a surprise it isn't.

Talk to any mainlander about what you can and cannot talk explicitly about online about certain topics and you'll realise that a lot of this stuff is normalized. Again there are a sizeable chunk that realize it's fucked but the sizeable chunk have no real ability to change things or is directly profiting from the government in such a way they can afford to buck things in a way poorer people can't and thus don't want to change the status quo.

[arashinoookami]

Exactly. Just look at what happened to the doctor in Wuhan who tried to warn people about Covid when the outbreak started.

[(Anonymous)]

If so, that's disturbing and very toxic.

[(Anonymous)]

A friend linked me this because I only understood half of it, too. Idk if it helps?
https://medium.com/@1000snow/the-crucifixion-of-zhang-zhehan-in-the-age-of-misinformation-5b08b0d06e40

[(Anonymous)]

Poster from earlier, it looks like from what's going on the situation is highly political as I suspected and that the Chinese government is making an example out of the star.

Sad but I don't see things looking up for the guy. Is it fucked up yeah? But all together not a surprise.

[(Anonymous)]

Thanks for the link, that's... really sad. And crazy.

[(Anonymous)]

Wow, that's really horrifying. Some of the shit that's been done to this guy is stuff I wouldn't even support doing to Trump. Which is really saying something considering if Trump was on fire I wouldn't piss on him to save him.

[(Anonymous)]

Holy crap. I hope that dude's got a good support system because that's absolutely insane.

[(Anonymous)]

DA I've been there, and there's a park outside where people often take wedding pictures, and I think that's where the photos are. You have to pass under the famous iron torii (gate) to actually enter the shrine. But OP of this thread is completely correct about the lack of education about Japan's role as an aggressor in WWII let alone the horrific war crimes they committed. And the Yasukuni shrine literally deifies some of those war criminals.

Deliberate? Probably not. Incredibly dumb? Yes.

[(Anonymous)]

In this day in age, it's a bit rich for China to feel like this about anyone given what they're doing.

[(Anonymous)]

You are completely right! How dare the older generation remember all the things done to their parent, right? The Japanese don't care so they shouldn't either.
Btw Koreans are also not huge fans of Japan.
da

[(Anonymous)]

It smacks of hypocrisy when your own country has learned fuck all from its own horrors and is currently engaging in its own genocide.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not Chinese?
ayrt

[(Anonymous)]

You know that's not what AYRT meant. They meant that China is(arguably) just as bad today. At least the government is anyway.

Nobody is defending the horrific ways the Japanese tortured and oppressed the Chinese and Korean people during WW2. Or how Japan has refused to take responsibility for that at all. And in that way, it's perfectly understandable for Chinese people to feel a grudge.

But the government as a whole? They're not without atrocities either.

[(Anonymous)]

I mean, they celebrated the 100th anniversary of their party this year with massive amounts of pomp and circumstance even though that regime cost tens of millions of people their lives. Hypocrisy is kinda their thing.

[(Anonymous)]

It's right, it's wrong... it doesn't matter. If you're a public figure, you don't kick the nationalist hornet nest, it's simple as that. In any country, but especially not in countries ruled by famously authoritarian regimes.

Like, are people being deliberately obtuse in this thread? Asking if his motivation should have mattered? Are you kidding? If I were a Hollywood actor and I go online making anti-war comments that could even be vaguely interpreted as being Against The Troops(tm), you think the Republican goons are going to give my opinion a fair evaluation before they come screeching for my blood?

[(Anonymous)]

That's true as hell.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah like... it sucks, obviously, but that's just how it is living under a dictatorship.