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⌈ Secret Post #5396 ⌋

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[(Anonymous)]

Yesssss.
It also always shows a very obvious misunderstanding of Chinese culture because those people always equate "does not like fighting and prefers art and likes fans" with being effeminate when the cultured male scholar is just a different character archetype that's not actually all that much less masculine. And fans are not an effeminate accessory in the least.

[(Anonymous)]

yeah, that's an extra level of oof. dare I say, even culturally insensitive if not outright racist or ethnocentrist.

[(Anonymous)]

It's also a bit oof to suggest that a nonbinary Westerner who finds themselves relating to a cis male from a Chinese canon and projects onto that character for comfort is being racist. Cultural differences are always going to influence what people personally get from things.

I know not all people with these headcanons have them for that reason, but you can't assume that they're all just cis people accidentally being racist for nb ally points.

SA

[(Anonymous)]

In other words I feel this is a disingenuous argument and "that's racist" in fandom almost always has some underlying concern-trollish agenda that's not really concern for racism at all. Like the "racebending Asian characters as black is racist because you think Asians aren't POC enough" is usually just a cover for "I don't want to see this beautiful character I love reimagined as *shudder* black"

Re: SA

[(Anonymous)]

And then there are some of us who think that it DOES feel like people are saying Chinese people aren't POC enough. Because that... is kind of what people are doing.

Re: SA

[(Anonymous)]

it literally is racist though. an asian character is a poc, full stop. you don't need to "racebend" them to make them a poc because they already are.

[(Anonymous)]

You know you can be both nonbinary and still culturally insensitive/racist, right? Plenty of them are. That's not something reserved for cis people.

[(Anonymous)]

It's all seems to be part of some fandom need to ensure that characters cannot be cis, regardless of the authors intent.

In fact in the author's notes for the novel MXTX said she had originally planned to give Huisang a wife but changed her mind.

It's also concerning that fandom cannot accept that two men/women can't just be friends. There's a real gap in understanding that people can care about each other deeply without it leading to some kind of sexual interaction.

[(Anonymous)]

As someone who's never had a trans headcanon for a character and can count my lgbt+ ships on one hand with fingers left over, it's not a weird conspiracy on the part of fans; people who think of characters as trans or gay or whatever just... like the idea of their favorite characters being lgbt+. It's not that deep.

[(Anonymous)]

i mean... media is chock full of men and women just being friends, it's not like there's any shortage of that. sometimes we'd like to see two men or two women who are more than just friends, because it's still pretty rare to get to see that in mainstream published media.

to turn it around, why is it also still so rare to see cases of a man and a woman who are just friends and who never end up with any sort of romantic subplot? a man and a woman can also care about each other deeply without it leading to some kind of sexual interaction, yet no one ever seems to complain when they end up getting paired together. don't you think it's more than a little hypocritical to complain about people wanting two men or two women to end up as a couple but being totally fine with a man and a woman always ending up paired together?

[(Anonymous)]

Weird fandom to be projecting that issue onto, tbh.

[(Anonymous)]

This is funny to me from 1. a cultural standpoint as the refined, educated scholar is in no way a 'less masculine' archetype in Chinese media, and 2. feels like it ignores the entire reason why his character refuses to take up his sects cultivation: he sees what it does to his brother and wants no part of it, it's not because he's too weak to fight but that the only way he would learn would be through a method that would slowly poison him to a gruesome death.

[(Anonymous)]

This. Hell, Huaisang is pretty strong and intelligent enough to attract birds, know the art itself and act like a moron when he became a leader sect so others can do the job instead. I would do that shit if I don't want to have a sable that start to manipulating me to kill everybody.

[(Anonymous)]

This is the same mood for me disliking most trans headcanons because it's always the guys with "girly" interests who are hced as trans women and vise versa. >|

[(Anonymous)]

Oh, same. It's ridiculously sexist when you get right down to it: this character doesn't have traditionally masculine/feminine interests, so therefore they must not really be a man/woman!

[(Anonymous)]

It's amazing how much people are showing their own inner gender essentialism with those headcanons. Like "look how woke I am" while basically telling everyone they think a character can't possibly be a certain gender if they don't perform it just as stereotypes demand.

[(Anonymous)]

When this strawman is used it always shows how out of touch one is with how trans headcanons work nowadays. Nobody does what you're talking about anymore and hasn't for a long time. Almost all trans headcanons involve a character who is HCed to have already transitioned, no "I think this canon boy is really a girl because she has long hair and wore pink once."

For example, you will always get "Sasuke Uchiha is a trans boy" (who is a boy in canon because he's post transitioning), not "Sasuke Uchiha is a trans girl" (who is still canonically a "boy" because she's not come out yet). And usually the reason the HC exists is because the person doing it is trans and wants their fave to be trans, by their own admission.

[(Anonymous)]

Your anecdotal evidence is just as invalid as ayrt's. Or mine, for that matter, because I have certainly seen what ayrt describes more often than your version. So you're just using a strawman as well.

[(Anonymous)]

Not at all. They’re experiences are actually the norm now, not anecdotal. It’s far more common to find what they’re talking about across the board, and you can easily find this out with a search on AO3/Tumblr/Google in general. You just don’t want to budge from your position, no matter how shaky the foundation is.

[(Anonymous)]

Buttercup is the most commonly headcanoned as trans character I have ever seen. ...As a trans boy.

[(Anonymous)]

Okay? I get that that’s annoying, because I agree that is. But doesn’t that seem just as anecdotal that you only provided one character?

[(Anonymous)]

Oh hi again, Trans Buttercup anon. Maybe your problem is that you should try branching into some fandoms that aren't one cartoon from the 90s?

[(Anonymous)]

This bugged the hell of out me in Les Miserables fandom, too. The character who is canonically quiet and sensitive and into poetry and romance is always headcanoned as the nonbinary one, to the point that it's just assumed. You want to be all trans- and genderqueer friendly by making a character nb, but you do it by picking the least threatening, most stereotypical option?? Pick the big muscle-y one who's into MMA!

[(Anonymous)]

This whole thread got real toxic real fast.