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[ SECRET POST #5449 ]

⌈ Secret Post #5449 ⌋

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Not really, considering only one of the two gets potentially doxxed and sent death threats and only one of the two has started to water down a serious crime/accusation to the point you can't take it seriously anymore.

This! And that's no the only serious RL issue that they have watered down.

On the other hand, the other of the two sides has at times created photo edits of child actors playing their fictional faves, or just happen to resemble their perfect casting, which are at times indistinguishable from CP.

How many have actually done that compared to the people who didn't and were driven to the brink of suicide by antis though? Hint: Not a lot.
No matter how hard you try, this will NEVER be a matter of "Both sides are equally bad".

The answer to this question might surprise you, but it's actually the opposite to what you think. Every single underage content creator I've ever talked to, or witnessed talking about it, said that they were negatively affected by NSFW fanworks of themselves growing up. Just because you aren't personally friends with these people, so you don't get to experience the effect it has on people you care about, doesn't mean that their experiences don't matter, or are somehow rare. So if your point is that the price for not having any child see porn of themselves is to have a few people driven to the bring of suicide, because the thought of not being allowed to openly comment on how hot they find a real living 12 year old girl's ass, is oppressing their freeze peach, then it's a fair price in my eyes. We aren't talking about fiction, we're talking about RPF, and whatever you like to imagine, these days RPF is made of almost any kid with a youtube account and more than 100 followers on twitter.

yeah in this era of the internet, parents can't be bothered to talk to their kids about online safty so no everyone has to baby-proof the internets because WON'T SOMEBODY THINK OF THE CHILDREN.

What online safety tip do you propose to stop a child from having their twitter or tumblr account tagged on porn of themselves? Delete any and all social media accounts? Or maybe... we could give this advice to all the adults who make porn of real living breathing children?

The onus is not on the kids just posting shit online, the same way that women who just post pics of themselves online aren't at fault for creeps using their pics in deep-fake porn vids. This isn't 'baby proofing' the internet, this is about not being a goddamn creep.

Are you the same weirdo who was having meltdowns about porn of real children EVERYWHERE in another thread a week or so back? Because you spend all your time in fandoms that revolve around teenage internet celebrities? (I think the whole nature of adults being obsessed with that is a little bit sketch whether you're making porn or not, to be honest) How old are you, and why are you "friends" with so many kids, and why are you applying what you see there to people writing about fictional characters, which is what most people here are talking about?

Were we even talking about RPF? There was nothing in the secret that indicated that.

Honestly, I think fandoms that revolve around adults forming parasocial relationships with teenagers is creepy as hell in and of itself, porn or no porn. I'm not going near that shit, and I'll continue to ignore the existence of fandoms like that because I think they're much weirder in a seriously unpleasant way than anybody's FPF omegaverse scatplay incesty dub-con fic. And I'll continue to be annoyed when anyone of any age gets puritanical about FPF content.

> I think the whole nature of adults being obsessed with that is a little bit sketch whether you're making porn or not, to be honest

As opposed to all the adults with an interest in fandoms centered around disney films, cartoons for pre-teens, and animes for 13 year old boys? Cute how the person who laments about being suspected of being a pedo for drawing porn about Stranger Things characters using faces of teenage actors as reference, thinks that merely watching a video with a teenager in it makes one a pedo. I will remember this hypocrisy and make sure to remind everyone of it next time someone complains about big bad antis being judgemental. Thanks!

Also, I'm not interested in teenage celebs. Twitch streamers of all ages do content together all the time, even though my primary interest might be in adult streamers, I can't skip all content they do together with teenage streamers, especially when adult and teenage streamers are part of a single roleplay scenario, where you have to watch multiple POVs to have any idea of what's going on.

Cute how the person who laments about being suspected of being a pedo for drawing porn about Stranger Things characters using faces of teenage actors as reference, thinks that merely watching a video with a teenager in it makes one a pedo.

Why on earth would you assume I'm that same person? I've never watched Stranger Things in my life, and I don't even draw fanart at all.

Watching a video with a teenager in it doesn't make you a pedo. Constantly bringing up and harping on porn about real life teenagers in a conversation that isn't about that at all does make you seem fixated, monomaniacal, and also kind of an asshole. If this was real life I would be getting off the bus half a mile before my stop to get away from this ranting weirdo who won't stop going on about pedophiles everywhere.

Who cares if adults draw cartoon porn? (And man, do I have bad news for you about actual Disney illustrators!) Elsa from Frozen cannot be traumatized by seeing porn of herself because Elsa from Frozen isn't real and can't actually be harmed by anything.

Maybe I wouldn't have to constantly bring it up, if people on this website didn't constantly make posts about how oppressed they feel for not being able to openly consume their sketchy porn free of judgement? If they are intentionally, vague and don't specify what kind of sketchy porn they consume, they can't really blame me for suspecting it's the most popular kind in fandoms, especially with some of these secrets being explicitly about RPF. RPF is probably the largest category of fanworks on nearly every platform hosting fanworks. I don't give a shit what you do to Elsa, but don't use a real life child actress' face as reference for it. Happened to Stranger Things actors, happened to Harry Potter actors, and to countless others.

No, RPF is actually rare. I went to AO3 and did a search both with excluding RPF and not excluding it. There are 8,532,511 fics there.

If you run a search EXCLUDING RPF, you get 7,998,068

Subtract the former from the latter and you get 534,443

RPF is only a little more half a million fics out of more than 8 million.

SA

I was suspicious of this, because I know ppl don't tag correctly. I just searched for RPF like I was looking for it. An RPF all fandoms search will give you ... the same: 534,442 RPF fics.

Video blogging RPF, the fandom you seem obsessed with, only has 168,329 fics as of now, unless I'm not searching by the right tag. That is...not a major factor on an archive with 8 million fics.

I'm honestly surprised by how low that number is! I thought it would be bigger for its annoying social-media-presence. I definitely thought RPF was much less popular than FPF by a mile, but I didn't even realize it was less popular by a ten-hour drive. You're so much wronger about that than I thought you were!

so I'll play Snopes

RPF is probably the largest category of fanworks on nearly every platform hosting fanworks.

Confirmed FALSE

Let me play snopes now:

Search for Louis Tomlinson: 49845
Search for Louis Tomlinson with RPF filtered out: 48060

So only 1785 out of 49845 fanworks about a real life person, who repeatedly stated that RPF makes him uncomfortable, is tagged as RPF. That's 3.58% of the total RPF fanworks about one person alone. Granted, it's better for video blogging RPF, because it exists as its own category, but a lot of fics about actors and bands are tagged with just the actor and band's name, with no RPF tag anywhere on the fic.

You've been fired from snopes.

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"We aren't talking about fiction, we're talking about RPF

...The secret explicitly states it's about fiction. It's about a Fictional character ship. Don't conflate the two just to 'win' this argument.

DA

This is definitely the same person who kept on and on and on about this in a different thread a while back. Someone told them they should take some time off from obsessing about this because it's clearly not good for their mental health. That was good advice and they should have taken it.

I distinctly remember the Stranger Things kids asking people not to ship them with their co-stars, because they didn't like it/made them uncomfortable, and a whole bunch of adults throwing shitfits and acting like they were being oppressed because KIDS didn't want porn of themselves shoved in their faces.

So it happens, and yes it's equally bad when it's about real people.

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Most "pedophilia" accusations in fandom these days are about shipping people who don't even exist.

That is fucking terrible, because there ARE actually cases where people in fandom are really in real life creeping on real life kids in their social circles, and social media has been so cluttered with the former that "pedophilia" is just an anti code word now, and most people's eyes glaze over when they see it. (Mine sure do)

So what word would you use to point out someone who's a real danger to real children? We keep losing words to watered-down meanings.

I see this accusation thrown around all the time. Is there any documentation of how common this is?

Because everybody yells about "antis are doxxing and sending death threats all the time", and I can only think of like two anecdotal cases. I've seen tons of dog piling in fandom (especially on twitter) over all sorts of things, but that is not the same as doxxing.

I haven’t personally seen much of it either, but that doesn’t mean that it doesn’t happen regularly out of our sights.

AYRT. For sure. My anecdotal evidence is equal to someone else's anecdotal evidence. I would just like some idea of how common it is, instead of being given a piece (or a few pieces of anecdotal evidence).

Here's a fanartist who's been facing harassment for about 7 months on end. She was stalked and creep-shotted in person at a con: https://twitter.com/sanr10cr4zy/status/1468136919330856960

Comments about harassing her and spitting on her work (real nice in a pandemic) https://twitter.com/BakugouHitoshi/status/1468162077823057923

Here's a nice comment about sneaking a gun into a con to kill her: https://twitter.com/peachiiepiiez/status/1468283792267882512

Fortunately con security is aware of the situation.

DA

That’s horrifying! I’m so glad con security is aware!

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