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[ SECRET POST #5458 ]

⌈ Secret Post #5458 ⌋

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Eh?

If they showed Tano as a grungey deadbeat burnout who just fucked with people for shits and giggles, then Filoni's army of rabid kittens would riot. But they are the same demographic that keeps talking about how awesome it is that Rian made Luke suck.

Nothing about your comment is accurate. That is not an accurate description of Luke in TLJ.

DA but Idk, I think that is pretty accurate. The way he was written was just another dumb gotcha. That shitty flippant light saber toss kinda set the mood on that.

A dumb gotcha directed at whom?

At Star Wars fans in general and the nostalgia group among them in particular. He didn't really make it a secret that a lot of his writing choices were solely meant to piss them off.

Oh, okay.

I listened to a lot of interviews with RJ and never heard him say this.

You said it in the Secrets thread as well. And just like there I am wondering where you are seeing some huge mass of people that liked how Luke was written in TLJ. The majority of fans hated it.

I don't know about the majority. AFAIK no one has done, like, representative polling. Certainly, it was divisive. But I also wonder if what OP means by "modern Star Wars fans" is "people who liked Luke's writing in TLJ", meaning by implication that only the ones who didn't like it are True Star Wars Fans.

Also, Luke's writing in TLJ was great.

More like the ones who were saying they liked TLJ's writing were accusing the older fans of not being real fans or deserving a place in fandom. There were posts, in this very comm, applauding it making older fans angry, upset, and unwelcome.

It isn't even as if it was an original character arc. JJ had pulled the same burnout to re-born believer with Han in the previous movie. So it wasn't even original bad writing.

There were posts, in this very comm, applauding it making older fans angry, upset, and unwelcome.

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It isn't even as if it was an original character arc. JJ had pulled the same burnout to re-born believer with Han in the previous movie. So it wasn't even original bad writing.

It's *Star Wars*. Strictly speaking none of it is really original. And Luke's plot is bound up with the history of the Jedi as an institution in a really interesting way that sets it apart from Han's plot.

Dude, nobody is going back through three years of posts to satisfy your dumb demands.

Well, are you expecting me to take it on faith that people who like TLJ are trying to drive older fans out of the fandom?

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Where did that happen? Because all I saw were people who liked TLJ(most of whom are self-professed older Star Wars fans) being told that they didn’t actually like it, they just enjoyed seeing real old Star Wars fans despair at having their favorite franchise be ruined. And they also basically said that the director was some kind of evil sociopath.

Like, anything is possible, and maybe you can point to a different thread where what you’re talking about happened. But the most recent discourse I’ve seen here was several fans who like TLJ, including Philstar, being attacked and accused of having sinister ulterior motives for liking a movie. Probably by one specific anon with a chip on their shoulder.

Yes, yes, those who liked TLJ never saw anyone who liked TLJ behaving badly at all. You're the victims, of course.

I’ve never seen TLJ, and I’m not really that into Star Wars. I was just recounting the most recent TLJ related discourse I saw here. And I literally never said that there weren’t people who liked TLJ that are assholes.

But now I know all you have so far is defensive and dismissive “comebacks” and accusations. That speaks to how good faith your arguments actually are. Which is funny, because you’ve accused someone else of acting in bad faith just for asking for sources for your argument. I’m not even saying I don’t believe you that what you’re talking about has happened on F!S, especially if you weren’t talking about the most recent heated discussion of the movie. But being a prick to everyone who has anything but automatic agreement isn’t the way to go about painting yourself as any better than the people who made you feel unwelcome in this community.

But in the end, do you actually believe that everyone who likes this one movie wants to “push older fans out of the fandom”? Or is that just an exaggeration of the moment? Because like I said, several people insulted just for saying they like the movie are old fans. It’s pretty obvious that the group you’re referring to would be a vocal minority just like most jerks in fandom. Not everyone who dislikes TLJ would be a jerk either.

The fuck, Why should I, you, or anyone else be responsible for the actions of some random groups of fans or monitor their behaviour...? Once fandom is big enough the asshole fractions will po up on all sides - why are we pretending they represent those sides all of a sudden?

Go, TLJ discourse is so exhuasting. I liked some parts of it a lot and had issues with some parts of it, but it's getting hard to discuss any of it online without someone coming in with their projections and baggage...

Yup! I remember that troll.

...wasn't Ahsoka's writing off in Mandalorian anyway?

More like they seemed unaware of the implications of what they were writing, thinking they were not showing her being consumed by the same fear and isolationism she was accusing Grogu of.

And her lekku were embarrassingly bad.

Montrals. Twi'leks have lekku, Togruta have montrals.

aren't you just arguing the relative attachment of certain characters? I mean, there's a reason for that, beyond favoritism you know. i too don't really understand how luke got from A to B in TLJ (and I would have accepted very little lmao), but episodic tv can make for more coherent and consistent characterization (especially when the medium has a specific perspective they're pushing) than 3 movies.

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