[ SECRET POST #5479 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5479 ⌋

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[fscom]

06. https://i.imgur.com/cP2KDuM.jpg

[(Anonymous)]

same, anon. same.

[(Anonymous)]

admittedly never watched it but from what I absorbed third-hand, it seems like it might have been what actually paved the way for reality shows like Kardashians. it didn't need good writing or likeable people, it was a trainwreck and people watching it could enjoy the trainwreck while plausibly capable of saying "oh but it's just fiction."

Reality shows are still fiction but a different kind. They still pander to the Sex in the City, soap opera crowd without having to write any sort of compelling long-term narrative. Six of one, half a dozen of the other.

Op

[(Anonymous)]

You know, thinking of it as a proto-trashy-reality-show actually makes its popularity make a lot more sense.

[sabotabby]

Same. I saw one episode and concluded that this was not what I would do with my money if I had a lot of it, and also that the love interest was garbage. Since then a lot of friends with otherwise good taste have tried explain the appeal and I still don't get it.

[(Anonymous)]

I think that before S&TC there weren't many or any shows about women over 30 having blaitant discussions about their sex lives, fictional or not.

[philstar22]

This. I have no interest in the show. But it was groundbreaking for its time and important in that regard. I don't think bringing it back was a great idea because there have been many shows since that do the same thing, but better. But the original show was important for showing that women enjoy sex too and that it was okay and that they were allowed to talk about it with each other.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, this.

I actually own the whole show on DVD and acknowledge it is pure garbage. But that's specifically why it's my trash show.

[tabaqui]

This exactly. Women talking about sex, enjoying sex, not being ASHAMED of sex, having one night stands, dating around, being 'slutty' and owning it...it was all pretty huge at the time.

Plus - pure escapism. I'm a writer who does two columns a week for the newspaper and I live in this fabulous New York apt. and can buy 400 dollar shoes!! Every week!

Yeah, right.

[greghousesgf]

the real escapism regarding Carrie was her having a really obnoxious personality and not being great looking but still always able to get men

[(Anonymous)]

I will agree with the “obnoxious personality” part, but I very much disagree with “not great looking”.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, pretty much. At the time, older women - and women over 30 were very much considered older women when it came to tv and movies - were generally treated as either sexless or pitiable. They could be mommies, spinsters, or pathetically desperate, and that was about it.

[meadowphoenix]

There's a reason people consider Carrie the first female anti-hero on tv.

But regardless, I think there is a social good to watching very flawed people struggle (and yes, mostly fail) to be good people, to think about what would make them a good person. A lot of time trying to do this with considerably less flawed people does not cause the same type of reflexive "am I like that?" or "At least I'm better than that!" which is the most self-reflection a lot of people do.

Furthermore, I think you need to consider that quite a few people are straight up bad at relationships of both the friend and lover kind, and seeing someone they related to on TV felt like a relief.

[(Anonymous)]

Uh so...
I actually really like this show. LOL It is a very problematic show, I don't agree with a lot of the really shitty things the show did, but it's not like Carrie or any of the characters walked away from their shitty behavior unpunished (a rich party girl who was past her party girl prime literally fell out of a window to her death; Carrie was severely punished for a lot of her shitty behavior). I didn't always sympathize with Carrie but I think that's the point. What I also enjoyed was that they normalized female relationships being complex. All 4 women didn't always get along. They called each other out. They got into arguments but they were never catty or petty arguments (fighting over the attention of a guy, jobs, etc). And it's OK to watch a show where the characters aren't always good or perfect. Like, IDK I think most people are inherently good and by the end of the show the characters became more well rounded and vulnerable people. Carrie started the show being cynical with the idea of love and romance. In the late 90s, was love even real? By the show's end, Carrie comes to realize that life is worth living because love is real. It's sweet. And I know people will roll their eyes at it but I really got in touch with my femininity with this show and I learned that it's good to have supportive female relationships (having come from a really patriarchal repressed family/community). Despite the show's title it was a show a lot more about the friendship of the four women than their love lives and that was always felt through in the show.

There are a lot of things that haven't aged well and elements of the show that still bother me a lot, but there are still a lot of great things about the show that has me going back to watching it again.

[(Anonymous)]

Thanks for the background. :-)

[(Anonymous)]

Agreed!

[(Anonymous)]

It was the first sex positive series that made women strong and capable of deciding for themselves. Not the greatest series, but paving the way for others.