[ SECRET POST #5499 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5499 ⌋

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[fscom]

03. https://i.imgur.com/Q8gOkWo.jpg

[(Anonymous)]

Totally agree!!!

Though if I were to pick any of the Madgrial grandkids to be queer -- my headcanon is more Camilo as non-binary and pan-romantic.

[(Anonymous)]

Lol. "Headcanoning the butch strongwoman as a lesbian/queer is reinforcing stereotypes but the shapeshifter is totally nonbinary!"

[(Anonymous)]

Thank you.

[(Anonymous)]

Agreed, op. One of my biggest peeves with tv shows recently has been the inevitable tomboy=gay revelation. Literally, if you see a girl who doesn't dress girly or who is interested in sports or other traditionally non-feminine things you can tell she's going to be the lesbian/bi one. I am all for representation but I could really do without stereotyping.

[(Anonymous)]

Especially when Luisa does seem pretty typically feminine--skirts and bows and all. She's just strong.

[(Anonymous)]

Could you give some examples where this is the case?

[dancingmouse]

Thank you! This always bothered me in media. It also has the tendency to make girls with muscular body types feel insecure about themselves.

It reminds me back when they announced there was going to be a gay character in Overwatch, and I was afraid it was going to be Zarya because of this mind set.

[ibbity]

I haven't seen this movie, but it always annoys me when people zero in on any character who's remotely gender-non-conforming and declare them to be a particular gender/sexuality based completely on stereotypes. Headcanons are one thing, but there are always people who insist that X character IS whatever gender/sexuality they want X character to be, and anyone who disagrees must be ____phobic (even if they're actually that gender/sexuality themselves and object to the stereotyping)

[(Anonymous)]

Oof BIG same

[(Anonymous)]

UGH, SAME. That kind of shit made me feel super insecure about my gender-non-conforming self as a teenager because people would just assume that you were a lesbian if you had short hair and preferred masculine clothing styles. It was really, really toxic, and it's so frustrating to see that more than twenty years later people are STILL doing the same thing.

[(Anonymous)]

I would have loved for her to be the one Isa's suitor was actually in love with. I mean Dolores' whole thing was cute, but it would have been huge to see the handsome bachelor be head over heels for how strong the buff girl is. Just because a character is attractive TO lesbians, doesn't mean she has to BE a lesbian. (Isa, though... yeah, I got some surprise feelings about her revealing that she didn't want to get married, and then starting to expand her personal style alongside growing her gift)

[(Anonymous)]

Truth!!

Honestly even having it turn out that Luisa was managing a stealth love story in the background (and being part of the pressure getting to her) would have been fantastic too. Isabella breaks her engagement to Mariano and it sort of comes out 'we can still have a wedding but its for me (Luisa) and (love interest)' for the celebrations. Where Dolores and Mariano get to do the whole 'oooo; here's my shot / oh wow I think I would like to date you to find out more about you'

Would have been a great plot in my opinion considering family dynamics like that.... the pressure is for the oldest child to marry first and everyone has to wait for that to happen before its not side-eyed for the others.

[(Anonymous)]

As a lesbian, I am a big fan of her. Mostly the arms. However, since this is a Disney film, I harbor no hopes that any character in this movie is any kind of queer, obviously.

[(Anonymous)]

Disney: "There's actually a queer character in Encanto, but is a blink-n-miss character! But is there! See how progressive we are!"

[(Anonymous)]

Well everything is up for interpretation.

[meadowphoenix]

As long as no one's starting fights and insisting that "X characteristic confirms it!", then I don't really see the problem with anybody who related to her wanting her to be like them. Muscular lesbians deserve people on screen like them as much as anyone else. But I think this movie is like anti-romantic, so I think you can only confirm that Alma, Pepe, Julieta, and Dolores probably like men, and Augustin and Felix probably like women.

I'm sure people are starting fights and insisting that all people who have X characteristics are gay though...

[(Anonymous)]

+1

[(Anonymous)]

...I would understand this complaint if the situation was "just one more buff butch lesbian among the vast sea of canon buff butch lesbian characters."

But IME, what we have in mainstream canons is "canon lesbian characters are overwhelmingly conventionally-feminine, buff butch female characters are overwhelmingly either non-specified or presented as straight, and every single one of those gets congratulated for how imaginative and stereotype-breaking they are."

Not gonna say Disney was queer-coding any of the characters, but there's nothing wrong or offensive about viewers interpreting/headcanoning Luisa any way they want.

[(Anonymous)]

This. And every time a lesbian character has a look that's popular with real lesbians to signal each other in the real lesbian community (like wears lots of flannel, has an undercut) everyone in the world EXCEPT lesbians complain that she's a stereotype. While real lesbians are going "No, that's literally just how we be."

[(Anonymous)]

yeah i've had this conversation with my lesbian friends where they'd be like "why can't [butch character] be a lesbian she's really hot :///" and i'd be like but it's good that they're not stereotyping! and they'd very patiently explain that a lot of lesbians love butches and love being butch

as long as queer characters are not mainstream i don't think it's time to worry about how uniquely they express their queerness

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, every time people act like this is some massive act of being 'forward thinking' I wonder where this massive glut of butch-lesbians in media is for people to think this is an actual problem to avoid. I love a lot of the wlw I've gotten onscreen over the years but none of them are butch and the ones who steer even vaguely(usually by accident) in that ball park are still very, very femme. There are next to no butch lesbians onscreen, but pls straight women keep telling me how 'progressive' it is to see an entire part of my community constantly erased and ignored because they don't appeal to men.

[(Anonymous)]

As long as we're sticking to headcanons and not being realistic about what's probably canon... a family can have more than one gay person in it.

[(Anonymous)]

How is it breaking stereotypes when butch lesbians barely exist in media?

[(Anonymous)]

I'm a butch lesbian and while I adore Luisa and her design (I wish I was buffed like her. DREAM BODY), I have to agree 100%. Isabela is the *lesbian sister* for me. Her character arc screams "closeted queer", meanwhile Luisa doesn't give me that queer vibe and she's totally NOT presenting herself as butch. She's very unapologetically feminine.
Meanwhile Isabela is overly feminine to the point of overcompensating.