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⌈ Secret Post #5569 ⌋

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Why do you think it's copaganda? The one that I read, it was packed with the culture clash between the... 'responsible' policing of the new kids and the nasty pieces of work that just beat up suspects until they got a confession.

Investigating the flaws of something, and how it can be better, isn't any kind of propaganda.

Or does the tone shift radically as the series goes along?

This was my feeling as well fwiw

DA yes, same here.

Portraying even one cop as not evil is copaganda, hth.

/s Here, you dropped this.

You need to get outside and see some sunlight.

Evil, no-- complicit, yes. And honestly I think that's worse. Oh there's so many cops that are good people and really want to help!!! --but will turn a blind eye to their fellow cops doing fucking evil shit. Bc in the end they're too scared to lose their jobs. And it's that cowardice that keeps us where we are. Thus, all cops are bastards.

So are we saying any media that depicts any police officer sympathetically is copaganda? And if so, why are we singling out Ben Aaronovitch?

I think we're societally in a place where media depicting a police officer in a sympathetic light is copaganda, yes. I don't mean to single him out, all in all, that's just what this secret happens to be about.

A police officer helped me once when I was lost and suffering from dehydration. Real life is copaganda.

NAYRT--I've seen cops break a man's arm for losing a trolley pass and laugh off one of my mentally ill family member's "patrolling the perimeter" of my mom's house with his arsenal of guns and refusing to let anyone leave; they only gave a fuck when he got in an armed standoff with cops and it turned out he'd illegally modified a bunch to be fully automatic and fire armor-piercing rounds, so he could kill cops and not just my mom and I.

They also threatened to shoot my (small, silly, floppy) dogs because they were with my mom when she called the cops on the gun mad relative; they demanded we take the dogs elsewhere before they came to check out gun dude, ignoring that we couldn't leave or take the dogs anywhere without risking being shot.

Yeah but you're in America. The British police have their own problems, but overall it's little league stuff compared to America.

As far as guns and racism, maybe. But police brutality is still a problem in the UK.

I don't think anyone ITT is arguing against the position that the police, as an institution, are bad. Nor - so far as I can tell - is anyone arguing against the position that individual police officers are in some broad sense culpable for that badness.

That is just not the argument that is taking place here.

*the police in the US are bad

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I'm sorry that happened to you.

But also: some of us do not live in nightmare dystopias. Our opinion of policing is going to differ from yours, because the policing we experience is not like that. That does not make us propagandists when we talk about our experiences.

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So no fiction about cops that isn’t straight-up condemning?

I thought the books actually did a reasonable job of portraying the MC as complicit in some institutional police issues. And that while he may have reasons, he isn’t virtuous for going along like that.

I think part of it is not wanting to lose their jobs and also part of it is they can't help if they do quit. The issue is systemic that people who ARE brave enough and DO come forward end up being the ones punished and jobless.

Of course. But I mean... there's no nice way to say this, but change doesn't come without sacrifice. The answer cannot be to shrink away because of the consequences of going against the system. The system doesn't come down that way. Yes, a lot of good people would lose their jobs if they came forward, but the more that do it, the louder the movement becomes, and the more power they have.

Everyone wants to be the beneficiary of a revolution, nobody wants to be the person who starts it.

That’s not contradicting anything AYRT said.

How’s that boot taste?

I’m similarly confused and I’ve read several of the books. Some context — like describing actual story elements — would have been very helpful.

Apparently it's just "has sympathetic characters that are police officers"

Nope.

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