[ SECRET POST #5572 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5572 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


All spoilers/etc. from here on out!












01. [SPOILERS for The Book of Boba Fett]




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02. [SPOILERS for Mystic Nine]




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03. [WARNING for discussion of homophobia]




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04. [WARNING for discussion of transphobia]




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05. [WARNING for discussion of rape]

[Ideology in Friction]


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06. [WARNING for discussion of sexual assault (by the actor, IRL)]





















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Comments

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[(Anonymous)]

Sometimes, it just comes from health care professionals who see the major influx in numbers of afabs who transition, only to detransition later. Or prison personell who see the rise in rapes by men who self-identified as women to get into the womens' jail. It's almost as if you can actually criticise a development based on facts but no, must be transphobia.

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[(Anonymous)]

Most people who detransition do so for their own fucking protection because of transphobes, you fucking TERF. Like "Ex-gays" who are really just going back into the closet.

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[(Anonymous)]

Sure, as long as you believe it.
Funny how you're all in when it comes to gender affirmation, except when it doesn't fit your agenda. The it's suddenly "they don't REALLY want to detranstion" which... sound an awful lot like "you don't really WANT to transition, its just a phase" a lot of trans people hear.

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[(Anonymous)]

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That anon raises a fair point though: how do you feel about ex-gays? Do you believe that the existence of ex-gays proves that straight youths are brainwashed by the gay agenda to think of themselves as gay, when in reality they are just confused straights?

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[(Anonymous)]

I mean, there have been several accounts of, for example, celebrities, especially in the 80s coming out as bisexual despite being straight because it was trendy. I never used the term brainwashing so no, I don't believe it's brainwashing, neither in one nor the other case. I do believe it is a trend and unlike being gay or bisexual, it has major effect on a person's body so I'm not sure the two should be compared at all, but anyway. Actually, airt brought up that detranstitioners are all forced by society to detranstition, which is pretty shitty and hypocritical but oh well.

I also never said that the existence of detransitioners negates the actual trans people who don't detranstiotion, but there is a reason the numbers, especially for afabs are up both in transtion and detranstition and it's not all down to "debut they're forced to".

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[(Anonymous)]

There are also people mostly trans men, who transitioned because of social abuse over being butch and being tired of being called a bull dyke. You can see how being a short guy is preferable to being abused on the street, and not just verbally, for being a masculine-appearing woman.

I'm not a TERF at all and support trans people and gay people everywhere, but this sometimes happens.

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[(Anonymous)]

The reason detransitioning numbers are up is because transitioning numbers are up. Because we now live in a world where that’s more acceptable, though we’re not there yet.

It’s like saying same-sex marriage is bad because statistics show that same-sex divorce is up in the US compared to before 2015.

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[(Anonymous)]

Acceptable only insofar as people who detransition and speak up about it get more hate from TRA groups than even the evil terfs right?

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[(Anonymous)]

No, this has literally been studied, TERFanon. Fuck off into the gutter you crawled out of and go suck an egg.

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[(Anonymous)]

Sure it has. Just as it is being studied how a lot of younger people are currently influenced to transtition despite not actually being trans but I'm pretty sure I know which studies you conveniently won't believe.

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[(Anonymous)]

It’s rich for you mumsnet set to ever talk about anyone influencing young and impressionable people…

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[(Anonymous)]

Mums what?

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[(Anonymous)]

Link these studies. You keep bringing them up, but not linking anything. I'd genuinely love to read them and hope that they provide detailed description of their sample size and methodology used for the study.

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[(Anonymous)]

They never actually link any of these supposed real studies.

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[(Anonymous)]

This is the only common sense comment in this damn sub-thread.

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[(Anonymous)]

nah turns out it’s that one terf anon who calls any and all support for trans people a cult. Very reasonable position to take.

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[(Anonymous)]

Lol, considering you keep calling any and all criticism of your talking points transphobia and anyone who doesn't 100% agree with you a terf it really sound like a cult.

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[(Anonymous)]

In this case, you are 100% transphobic and a TERF, so they’re right. They don’t sound like a cult, that’s just projection. Especially because you’ve said that to anyone who’s disagreed with you in this thread. You’re the one with cults on the brain, and the reasoning is transparent.

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[(Anonymous)]

If by “common sense”, you mean debunked TERF bs, then sure. It’s very telling of the kind of person you are that you’ll assume anyone who agrees with you is the only other person with common sense, or that your beliefs are automatically common sense. That’s not arrogant and cult-like at all...

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[(Anonymous)]

“Major influx”, “the rise”… when it’s actually isolated cases. A+ fearmongering.

What IS wrong with women in the UK? Y’all are spearheading an ugly movement and for the life of me I can’t understand what specific sociocultural reason has led you down this road.

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[(Anonymous)]

Nop but nice try. It's not isolated incidents at all. I know you don't like hearing that though and will continue ignoring it. It's what cult member always do when their doctrine gets challenged.

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[(Anonymous)]

Go back to Mumsnet.

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[(Anonymous)]

It is isolated incidents, that’s a fact. It’s rich for you to call anyone else a cult member when you’ve clearly drank the Koolaid and will blindly believe anything your told by your group. Without double checking your sources for bias.

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[(Anonymous)]

There is not a "major influx" of detransitioners. The actual percentages haven't moved much at all, and could be lowered by increasing ease of access to information and services. Not eliminated, there will always be people who detransition, because people change over a lifetime, and because in the case of medical transitioning, any major medical intervention comes with a risk of having negative impact on an individual person, but lowered.

As for men self-identifying as women to get into the women's jail and get their rape on, that's straight up urban legend.

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[(Anonymous)]

You’re obviously acting in bad faith, and have ignored every argument that goes against you. And have insulted and used ad hominem against everyone who actually knows what they’re talking about unlike you. You hate being called a TERF or accused of being transphobic so much? Maybe stop acting like you are and stop mindlessly parroting transphobic nonsense.

One of the major reasons trans people, trans women especially detransition is because of transphobic backlash. There’s obviously others reasons, like isolated instances of health complications, as well as the people who transitioned changing their minds. That doesn’t mean the people who detransition are always changing their mind about being trans, because that’s not always the case. They just sometimes decided they weren’t ready to transition yet, or sometimes they’ve discovered their gender identity is different than just cis or trans. There’s a lot of variety and nuance that you’re obviously ignorant of because it goes against your narrative. And you’re definitely not going to acknowledge that the transphobia that still infects society, transphobia that you happily repeat, is a major reason that many people detransition in an attempt to stop being targeted and attacked by bigots.

And as others who have actually done research have told you, there is no influx of trans women or men who self-identify as women(which is a different thing than trans women, because trans women are women) trying to get into women’s prisons to rape women. There have been only a few isolated instances of anything even resembling that. Far fewer than cis women raping other cis women in prison, which of course you don’t acknowledge. In reality, this whole talking point by TERFs has been debunked as soon as it started popping up in TERF manifestos, and is an urban legend.