[ SECRET POST #5600 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5600 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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04. [SPOILERS for Exit/Corners]




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05. [WARNING for discussion of transphobia]




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06. [WARNING for discussion of rape]

[Monster Girl Encyclopedia]


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07. [WARNING for discussion of rape]

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Comments

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[(Anonymous)]

The vast majority of people who wear Harry Potter merchandise know nothing about Rowling's personal views. So this is just funny to me as an indicator of how people feel about Trans people. It is like using of someone owns a Disney shirt or baseball hats.

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[(Anonymous)]

Oh no, the many millions of people who read/watched Harry Potter properties and might have a scarf or something should all burn them to satisfy 1-2% of the population who thinks they're all transphobes.

I don't particularly care for Harry Potter, but many fans separate the works they enjoy from the author. Lovecraft's work is great, but he was a total dick. I don't assume people are racist if they have a Cthulhu t-shirt.

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[(Anonymous)]

What is Lovecraft's twitter handle?

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[(Anonymous)]

He's too ugly for any standard social media, but he has a substack.

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[(Anonymous)]

But the argument being made ITT was not that JKR is bad, and still alive, and therefore we need to isolate her and not support her (and FTR I do agree that JKR sucks and people should try not to give her money or attention in any way).

The argument being made here was that people who are Harry Potter fans cannot be trusted and are a threat to trans people. I don't see why that would be more or less true if JKR was dead.

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[(Anonymous)]

But the fact that JKR is alive, and continues to have a big influence politically is a key part of what makes her transphobia and rhetoric so dangerous. So Lovecraft and other deceased authors are apples to oranges. The fact that JKR is alive might not have been mentioned as important to this discussion, but the implications are pretty clear because a living author with an active Twitter account they use to rally TERFs is obviously different than an author who died 100 years ago.

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[(Anonymous)]

DA - And yet, enjoying an author's works of fiction does not implicitly indicate anything about a person, regardless of whether the author is alive or dead. Hell, if anything liking Lovecraft's work is more "problematic" because his messed up values and beliefs are much, much more thematically prominent in his work than JKR's are in HP. But the bottom line is that unless you like Lovecraft's work because you're racist/antiemetic/xenophobic and you feel his work serves and validates your views, there isn't a problem.

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[(Anonymous)]

I never said it did. I don’t believe that everyone who continues to like HP or at least wears Kerch from it shares JKR’s views.

I was just telling you why Lovecraft was a bad example, because the fact that JKR is still alive and peddling her transphobia is an important part of the danger she poses. That’s not something Lovecraft can say, being that he’s long dead. So again, nobody outright said JKR being alive was a part of the discussion, but I very much think it’s implied, considering how current the whole JKR thing is. And that’s why making the Lovecraft comparison, and denying the person who brought up “what’s his Twitter handle?” has a point about what the discussion actually entails, isn’t quite right.

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[(Anonymous)]

Because it’s not about the Trans person for the most part. It’s about the people who want to control the behaviour of others and co opt victimhood.

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[(Anonymous)]

Nah.

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[(Anonymous)]

Oh boy yes. So true. And you can really tell the difference between the people who are genuinely trans and those who just want to be able to call on their victim status by claiming a label.

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[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, no.

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[(Anonymous)]

Exactly. Unless you're terminally online, chances are you don't have a clue.

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[(Anonymous)]

Hey, fuckwit, everyone and their granny is "terminally" online these days. People are online checking the discourse even when they are waiting for a bus. You are arguing based on the state of the internet and reach in those halcyon pre-smartphone days. Update your bitching.

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[(Anonymous)]

I teach third graders. Eight-year-olds. You know, the low end of the age group Harry Potter was originally written for. Of course some of them like Harry Potter. Some of them even seem to be reading it for the first time and bring their HP books for free reading period. Maybe some day I'll be able to have a talk with them about trans and other LGBTQ identities specifically, but for now I just try to be inclusive in my teaching style, and none of them have showed openly transphobic kid behavior. I assure you none of them have a clue about JK Rowling. I hope this discussion is about adults in fandom and not actual kids just liking kids books.

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[(Anonymous)]

Yeah. I have a middle school aged niece who's a Harry Potter fan. She's read the books and watched the movies. She's also in her school's GSA, probably bi/pan herself, has trans friends, and is reading a ton of LGBTQ YA.

It's not sane to police a child's perfectly normal interest in a book series, especially when they're in it for the story and because their friends are into it, and it's crystal clear that they're not Extremely Online and understand, you know, basic tolerance and kindness.

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[(Anonymous)]

I work in a library, and the kind of religious homeschooling parents who refused to let their kids read HP because it was "Satanic" back when the books were still coming out are starting to check them out for their kids alongside Narnia and the Little House books--while those same adults check out and read books about Democrats destroying America and the sinister trans cabal seducing their daughters, and climate change being a scam, and on and on.

Is everyone still reading HP and starting their kids on it a transphobe? No, but unfortunately some parents are picking it up specifically because the author is.

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[(Anonymous)]

Did this happen right after JK Rowling showed her transphobia? I was under the impression that Harry Potter had stopped being part of the Satanic panic and religious parents backpedaled and decided HP was fine, actually, long before that.

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[(Anonymous)]

AYRT--No, it keeps happening, and I had an adult coworker who won't read or recommend them (or anything with witches, which makes me sad because they love Pratchett but won't read half his stuff) because they're "occult."

Like I said, it's not everybody still reading them or getting them for their kids, but it's some of them; the one who called Captain Underpants "disgusting and dirty" comes to mind.

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[(Anonymous)]

lol if only - most of the people on my mom's side who are hard-core christians believe that just about any fantasy like Harry Potter is a promotion of the devil (apparently according to my cousin Dungeons and Dragons is 'worse' because unlike fantasy fiction D&D brain washes you through roleplaying - so that was a fun talk).

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[(Anonymous)]

I assure you, the moment they're old enough to be on social media, they will be miles ahead of you on these issues.

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[(Anonymous)]

Are you implying that I'm too old and set in my ways for my own knowledge of issues to grow or change in that length of time?

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[(Anonymous)]

Just saying, you needn't worry about it. Your kids will encounter this stuff very soon. If you want to have that LGBTQ discussion, maybe just do it, assuming you're not living somewhere that's trying to make those discussions illegal in school.

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[(Anonymous)]

And the vast majority of Chelsea football fans are harmless, but if I'm wearing a Spurs top when a bunch of them come into a pub I'm still drinking up and leaving. I'm sorry if wearing the same gear as the violent assholes gets you lumped in with the violent assholes, but there is no way to tell that you are one of the violent assholes wearing the same gear from the same club as you are also in.

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[(Anonymous)]

This.