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i really don't think there is anything gained from poor people denying themselves pleasure in life to maintain some vague idea of moral purity

I mean as long as they're using library services etc for the book, and if streaming services keep offering free trials why not use them?

But downloading book rips especially from indie authors is one thing I can't support.

i can't say your personal vague idea of moral purity means anything to me

And that's fine, you're probably not an indie author who's struggling so you don't care about those lack of sales.

whether you don't make a sale and someone doesn't read your book or you don't make a sale and someone reads your book has no effect on how much you are struggling. it surprises me that i need to spell that out

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NAYRT

I think the problem is that the dividing line of "can or cannot afford to spend money supporting authors" is not nearly so black and white as this analysis makes it out.

what analysis. why are you inventing a different scenario in which actually poor people are lying about how much they can afford books. leave me alone

My opinion is that people should try to support creators when it's possible for them to do so, and I think what that means can vary a lot.

I mean you realize that nobody can make you spend money on supporting creators, right? If you don't want to spend money, then nothing anyone says can change that, and if you don't feel guilty about it or care, then I don't understand the point of talking about it on a message board and then saying no one should reply to your posts.

maybe if you pirated more books to read you would have better reading comprehension

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You're getting weirdly defensive about this for someone who doesn't care what other people think about your piracy, anon.

huff my nuts please

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This. Actually, it's probably better if you read it and advertise it so other people who can afford it will buy.

I once tried to explain to an author that everything you pay for results in something you didn’t pay for. I didn’t buy or read his books, and I spent the money to eat out. If I bought his books and he had more money, the restaurant would have less money and might even close down. So the real issue is with the government for not instituting basic income that would allow the restaurant workers to survive even if they lost their jobs. “Authors deserve to be paid for their work” still buys into the idea that the work is what determines whether you should be allowed to survive.

He blocked me, of course.

“He blocked me, of course.”

Well yeah.

I, also, would block this person.

Me too. How patronising and pretentious can you get?

"I tried to explain to him that it's capitalism's fault that I don't care if he gets money to live currently in the world we have, can you believe he blocked me?"

I care if he gets money. I don’t care MORE about him getting money than unemployed or severely disabled people getting money, and I think it’s dangerous to link survival necessities to labor.

Cool--give the spiel to your local representatives or hell, fellow consumers instead of to the people suffering under the system.

It's ironic that you compared his pay to a restaurant worker's, given that it's remarkably similar to "I'm not tipping because I don't think tipping should be a thing, and I think it's okay if the waiter gets shafted for my moral statement rather than ensuring the waiter's pay and raising my complaints with the manager/owner instead."

But I didn’t read his books. There’s nothing to fucking tip. And if you didn’t read or buy his books, you’ve done exactly as much harm to him as someone who pirated them.

Missing the point.

You said "'Authors deserve to be paid for their work' still buys into the idea that the work is what determines whether you should be allowed to survive" to someone who, presumably, is also working to survive.

"X deserves to be paid for their work" and "X shouldn't have to work to survive" ARE two different concepts, but complaining that someone who IS working to survive is upset that they're not getting the money to survive doesn't make you the moral winner here. It means you're not bitching to the right end of the stick.

This.

I don't even have time to read the few books I buy or watch all the shows on the one streaming service I pay for. There's altogether way too much content available and we're busier than ever just trying to get by. Who are these poor people who just HAVE to have the thing no matter how obscure?

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