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⌈ Secret Post #5656 ⌋

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Yeah, I definitely go further OP. I think "mutual abuse" or "toxic relationship" people are coping-out, and I can't watch them anymore. It puts every abuse victim in danger to suggest that Heard reacting to abuse is equally controlling to Depp abusing her, and since it's mostly cynical ignorance about abuse dynamics, I just don't have any time for those people anymore. Or comments like the above where she "started it" when that's so against all available evidence that it might as well be bot propaganda (what precisely did she do in 2013, which is about when she first documents him abusing her, that makes you think she "started" it or is "more" psychotic and abusive one?). Wild ignorant shit.

Somehow, I knew you'd come scampering in with this childish, ignorant assumption.

Name the assumption

That Amber is 100% an innocent lamb and Johnny is the only abuser in that relationship.

That Johnny is the only abuser in that relationships is a conclusion not an assumption.

Because you've assumed that Amber's behavior can't possibly be abusive in any way whatsoever, no matter what she said or did.

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meadowphoenix - 2022-07-03 04:02 (UTC) - Expand

You assume that no one could possibly look at the evidence and sincerely come to a different conclusion than you, as usual.

If you understand abuse dynamics or hell care about what dv experts say and look at the evidence, you couldn't, no.

But hey! If you have looked at the evidence in toto, and want to list where you get "Amber Heard exerted coercive control on Johnny Depp" go for it.

I do understand abuse dynamics. I know that no abuser considers themselves to be one, and that women are quite often every bit as abusive as men, they just do it in different ways. I also understand how people will behave when their livelihood is on the line. That's why I've concluded that neither of the individuals involved is a reliable narrator, and that the only two people who know for sure what went on in their relationship are Amber and Johnny themselves.

meadowphoenix - 2022-07-03 04:03 (UTC) - Expand

(Anonymous) - 2022-07-05 18:07 (UTC) - Expand

You mean abuse victims like her ex-girlfriend?

When you say "abuse victims like her ex-girlfriend" are you going off a police report you've read, the charge itself, or the ex-gf's actual statements? Because if you have the police report itself (obviously you are ignoring or discounting the ex-gf's statements), I would like to see it, actually. So far we have the charge, and the ex-gf, who says there was no abuse. Now she could be covering for Heard! But I would need the report itself to say, and I'm pretty careful about calling actual people abuse victims, when they say they're not (that too is also very dangerous, since if they are abuse victims, being called that when they're not ready for it can compound certain psychological issues).

But yes, absolutely, suggesting reaction to abuse is as bad as abuse itself hurts all abuse victims.

It's fascinating you don't see the glaring double standards in what you write here.

This is grade A projection, and it’s fascinating that you don’t realize it.

Yeah right. Except where it's not but that's okay.

(Anonymous) - 2022-07-02 21:56 (UTC) - Expand

+1000

Name the double standard.

The ex-girlfriend who said that's not what happened?

This.

Yes, because abuse victims never say they weren't being abused despite evidence to the contrary. I'm sure she just walked into the door or something.

You don’t have to believe her at her word, but there’s no proof to suggest she’s not telling the truth at this time, or proof that she was one of Amber’s abuse victims att.

Huh, I think this is the worst take I've ever seen from you. I'm surprised to see you here spouting opinions when you obviously haven't looked very deeply into the facts of the case beyond whatever corroborates your own bias.

I'm no fan of Depp, and I was strongly inclined to believe Heard for a long time, but the thing is, when new evidence comes out, you can't just ignore it and double down. Well, you obviously can, but do you really want to be that person?

I've definitely had worse takes, number 1.

number 2, what new evidence? Name it.

number 3, I've looked unfortunately deeply into the facts of this case. I know way more than I ever needed to know.

nayrt
Amber sent a video of Depp hitting cupboard the day his mother died to the newspapers. She denied it but the paparazi testified it was her.
She admited on tape to hitting Depp. She literally said I didn't punch you, I hit you.
She submited two identical photos saying thise were 2 different ones. One of them had altered colours as if she had a bruise.
She never went to a doctor to register any bruises, etc. Depp had a surgery on his cut finger.
No witnesses on Amber's side actually saw abuse.
Amber's tests show that she answered questones unthruthfully.
By new evidence I think that anon meant the audio tapes, testimonies about altered and staged photos, witness testimonies from people contrudicting her claims that Depp abused her.

I do not know if Depp was emotionally abusive or not. I heard the tapes and I'm sure that Amber was physically abusive.
Amber also made things up and condemed many female abuse victims. She exploited a me too movement and showed that US justice system with so called experts is a joke.

You got sources for this, so that I can actually see this evidence and we're on the same page without relying on "maybe this is what anon was talking about?" when I search for it?

(Anonymous) - 2022-07-03 19:56 (UTC) - Expand