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I think onlyfans is a huge setback for feminism, actually (which is ironic since it's because of modern feminism that onlyfans does so well).

Maybe it's just me, but there's something so depressing about seeing so many girls on Tiktok set up an onlyfans the minute they turn 18.

As someone who loved cosplay before the 10s "erotic cosplay pictures for sale" frenzy I feel you SO much. It pains me that so many well off young girls are basically choosing to whore themselves for a living often in the name of "feminism"

There. is. nothing. inherently. positive. or. negative. about. sex. work.

Sex. work. is. just. work.

How are you both still stuck on this? It's not that hard.

How are you both still stuck on this? It's not that hard.

Phrasing!

NAYRT or the other anon and I agree that sex work is just work. It makes me personally uncomfortable because I have hangups about it, but that's my problem, and I'm super weirded out by other people thinking anyone would take up sex work in the name of feminism and not just because... it's a job. One that should be legal so that people who do it can have the same legal protections as any other worker.

Despite my personal feelings, people who do it do it for all the reasons they do any job. Some of them love their job, some hate it, some of them are forced into it by unscrupulous assholes, most just do the job to make a living.

Nayrt but one thing that does bother me is how much double standards exist in especially the onlyfans line of work. Like... I've seen it quite a bit that women who keeps pimping out their onlyfans stuff everywhere complain that they're only seen as sex objects and... I mean, yeah, that's what you get paid for? You keep advertising for people to come and buy your porn, what did you expect?

AYRT--I mean, I get weirded out when strangers run into me outside of work and ask me to do job related stuff when I'm buying groceries or walking on the beach or something.

If someone sells sexy videos or whatever that doesn't make it okay to go up to them in a restaurant while they're eating with their kids and ask for a handjob.

It would be weird if they complained about people asking them for sex stuff on their onlyfans, though, for the same reason it would be weird if I complained about people asking me reference questions while I was sitting at the reference desk at work.

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women who keeps pimping out their onlyfans stuff everywhere complain that they're only seen as sex objects

Coming up to a professional when they aren't at work and trying to get them to give you their professional attention for free, without an appointment, in an informal setting, is a dick move at the best of times.

Also, sex workers aren't sex objects. Those two things aren't synonymous, nor does either one inherently entail the other.

Do you think your certified massage therapist is a medical object? Do you think the chef who cooks your dinner at a fancy restaurant is a sustenance object? Do you think that comedian you love is an entertainment object?

If a sex worker works with clients, and clients want to treat their sex worker like a sex object as part of the service, and the sex worker is cool with that, that's fine. But the pretense of objectification is part of what's being paid for. It's not part of the sex worker; it's part of the service they provide.

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I agree, honestly. "It's just a job!" is a valid point and so is "people should feel empowered to do any job!" But it's weird to single any one job out for that.

AYRT - Yup, exactly.

Also, I think a lot of people (who are unaware that some of the ways they think about sexuality--especially women's sexuality--are screwed up) see someone who is or was a sex worker talking about ways in which the job can feel empowering for some people, or did/does feel empowering for them personally, and they interpret that as Sex Work Is Empowering For Women! Sex Work Is A Feminist Act! Of course, that's not what the person is actually saying. They're saying it can be and is empowering in specific ways for some women. Which, like, obviously.

But the idea that women are out there becoming sex workers 'because feminism' just feels very straw-man-y to me. More like, sometimes in life you get involved in a particular pursuit and then, after a while, you start to reflect on what getting involved in that thing has meant for you, practically, emotionally, existentially, the works. There's nothing strange or false about that; it's a very normal thing for people to do. And usually some of those reflections are positive and some are negative, and that is also very normal.

(controversial anon here) of course feminism has never been the real issue which is why I used so many quotation marks. The issue are ill intentioned abusers (exploiters, aka abusers) distorting feminism rhetorics to convince naive young girls of stuff they know to be untrue. Of course not every sex worker goes through this. SOME DO.

AYRT, as a sex repulsed individual who would HATE to do sex work I hate how well paid it is for women compared to other jobs and also hate how hating sex is apparently "not feminist enough" nowadays.

Before anyone says anything else: because I am not the only sex repulsed individual in the world. Many people, young girls included, are sex repulsed or neutral, not positive, and end up in sex work for systemic reasons that go way beyond a simple matter of "she wanted to do it" . No moral judgement against the girls individually, all of the judgement against the way society treats girls' bodies and beings. :)

AYRT - as a fellow sex repulsed individual, you are criticizing the wrong aspects of this system.

Women should be paid equal to men, and we should ALL be paid better for most jobs. The answer is not to blame sex work. That is such a weird and irrational take. This is not a zero sum game.

There should also be more validation for people who dont enjoy sex and/or dont desire sex, or have low libidos, or suffer from sexual dysfunctions that make sex fraught. But once again, the answer is not to blame sex work and sex workers. They are not responsible for the way society is about sex, and shitting on them and their job will not make society better for anyone.

The validity of a job and the validity of one's choice to do said job is also not determined by how purely and unquestionably they enjoy that job. If someone is forced into sex work, that is a violation of the rights and their autonomy. But trying to invalidate sex work as a job, or sex workers as people, because the industry--having been wrongfully denied social and legal legitimacy for so long--is not devoid of toxicity and predatory people, is a weak and nonsensical argument.

You know what othe industries are not devoid of toxicity and predatory people? All of them. You know what other industries have workers who do their jobs for a complex host of reasons that are much more varied and complex than 'constant, unwavering enjoyment'? All of them.

Sheesh.

THANK YOU JFC. As a non sex repulsed asexual (basically indifferent to sex here except in a fictional context) I get how it's tempting to blame some people's creepy entitled attitudes to sex on the existence of porn and sex work, but that makes as much sense as blaming restaurants for the fact that people like to eat food, and the push to eliminate porn and sex work makes as much sense as a movement to ban farm work because agricultural workers are frequently exploited, injured on the job, threatened with arrest and deportation by their employers if they complain of poor treatment, etc.

Any job or person that isn't protected by law becomes a locus for exploitation by unscrupulous shitheads.

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AYRT - If we go by the idea of equity perhaps we should be even more well paid. And yet here we are severely underpaid and never one of the world's wealthiest unless we either are born or marry rich. And I can assure you that sex work won't get offended for being blamed (which it wasn't and I highly recommend that you re-read what I posted before) because sex work is not a living entity. Blame the work not the worker.

And blame the work I will. Life is not as black and white as the prevalent discourse wants to make us believe, there are MANY layers behind the choice of whether to do sex work or not. But I never said that sex workers should have no rights, much less shat on anyone, rather the opposite - I merely implied that sex work (particularly in the form of onlyfans and such) has become too attractive a job market for young girls in today's world, particularly those convinced that they should be sex positive because of ""feminism"" regardless of how they actually feel about it, particularly the more psychologically and socially vulnerable ones, they often don't know the risks and traps when jumping in, and I find this scenery VERY sad, and, on a personal level, downright depressing.

Everything else was just you jumping to conclusions. Never did I blame anyone for doing sex work or said they don't deserve rights or that work should always be enjoyable or whatever, you are attributing other people's discourses to me - my family is poor and yeah I have relatives who did it to make ends meet. I wish they never had to. They are not as angry about it as I am, since workers often get used to being violently exploited in EVERY field and way ...

But I don't care about rhetorics at ALL, particularly not on this subject or anything regarding feminism - tired of explaining myself and my arms and fingers hurt. In the end you will hold onto your beliefs and you can bet that I will be holding onto mine. Glad we can agree that sex repulsed people should get more recognition though.

This disregards the ever increasing body of evidence that porn and sex work is socially harmful. The problem is not the sex workers themselves, it's the men and how it shapes their attitudes to women. Sex workers aren't doing anything wrong, it's just unfortunate that men are so inherently faulty as a species.

-10000 try harder.

Your conservative dishrag you call a newsletter written by upset Christian moms that includes how dabbing is corrupting the youth doesn't count

Can we stop infantilizing legal adults by calling them 'young girls'. It's super weird.

Also as the other anon said, the insults to sex work (which is work as much as any other job) are also unnecessary.

AYRT, to me, 18 year old girls are young girls. Literal teens. Being older I have a right to feel this. If you have a problem with me not liking the pervasivity of sex work as a viable option for young girls in today's saturated job market that's something else you should be calling me out for k

NAYRT 18 year olds are young adults, not young girls and boys, or do you call 18 year old "boys" young men because you think only women need protecting by your weird infantilizing double standards?

I call them young boys because that is what they are to me. If you would like to complain about anything else, please kindly fuck off instead.

Man I am glad some of 18 yo me's choices were put down or invalidated because they were just dumb

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