[ SECRET POST #5796 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5796 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
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Comments

[fscom]

02. https://i.imgur.com/k8r2RRp.png

[(Anonymous)]

I think it's fair to say that the "uncanny valley" rationale, specifically, is kind of weak and nonsensical.

I also think it's very reasonable for people to dislike the way that CGI is used in modern TV and film. And to say that dislike of CGI is nothing more than a Trojan horse for bigotry is just downright silly.

[(Anonymous)]

Certain CGI definitely hits uncanny valley for me, especially when they use it on humanoid characters or overlay it on human actors. There's an image of a valley on the secret, but usually the most uncanny valley complaints are not from scenery CGI, it's from humanoid CGI. And it's grating enough to turn me off from lots of things.

What about "not wanting to see CGI you dislike or are bothered by seeing" is "weak and nonsensical" to you?

[(Anonymous)]

DA

In my experience, Uncanny Valley is just shorthand for This Design Is Creeping Me Out, when people don't want to (or can't) pin down just what's giving them undead doll vibes.

As for the rest, I agree entirely. "If you say the effects suck, I will accuse you of racism, sexism, or both" is just bullshit.

[(Anonymous)]

…that looks real to you? Or even acceptable? Because it hurts my eyes. The proliferation of rushed, low-quality CGI is actually why I can’t stand to watch almost anything anymore. Not sure how that makes me a bigot.

[(Anonymous)]

It doesn't. This secret is reminding me of the way companies try to shield the stuff they're doing poorly by just abruptly changing the subject back to their preferred talking points.

[(Anonymous)]

No.

[rosehiptea]

I hope you stretched before that reach.

[(Anonymous)]

CGI all too often sucks. People are going to say it, so deal with it.

[(Anonymous)]

nope. bad cgi making actors of any appearance look creepy and weird and their mouths not match up with the sound doesn't mean shit about racism.

[(Anonymous)]

^ So much this.

[(Anonymous)]

No. No. I've *never* seen anyone reach like a basketball player for an excuse to dislike something that doesn't make them sound like an arse. That never happens.

[(Anonymous)]

"sometimes people do X for reason Y"

ok, sure, with you there so far, you're still being reasonable

"therefore we can conclude that any time someone does X, it is for reason Y"

whoops, no, you are no longer being reasonable

[(Anonymous)]

Those sure are a lot of words.

[(Anonymous)]

Look.

Everyone in this thread who absolutely, positively has nothing but an opinion about cgi when they complain about cgi, and find the suggestion you might actually be motivated by bigotry really offensive...

It's because you're innocent.

You know how that phrase, Think Of The Children, has become a cover for all kinds of 'phobic shit? It's because it's innocent. When a bigot wants to hide their colossal awfulness, they find a bunch of nice, innocent people with pure motives, and they borrow whatever words they use, and then the bigot pushes for what they want under that cover. It's a really common tactic.

And if one set of words or another gets used a lot for that purpose, people who don't know you start to get wary when you use them.

That's what it is.

[(Anonymous)]

by the same token, sometimes people use accusations of bigotry as a mendacious tactic to defend works of fiction that they really like from criticisms that they consider unjust (criticisms such as "other people have different taste and don't agree with them that it's good")

[(Anonymous)]

DA

I appreciate your attempt to explain, but if you believe the answer to "bigots use word" is "everyone else has to stop using words," we're just going to have to disagree.

With ideas like "think of the children," I think the answer is to actually have a serious conversation about actual children, instead of idealized hypotheticals that can "need" whatever the person standing on a soapbox asserts. Personally, I benefited a lot more from unrestricted lurk-access to explicit, online conversations between kinky adults, as a kid, than my peers did from abstinence-only misinformation.

With ideas like "a lot of people STILL don't like CGI, despite aggressive marketing to the effect that we should all be so in awe of it," I think the answer is to simply accept there's no connection between that idea and hating anyone.

[(Anonymous)]

Yet another care of A Take So Bad I Can't Tell Whether It's Trolling Or Not!

Also, by the way you used scare-quotes around the word "triggers" it seems like maybe you are under the impression that the word "trigger" always refers to the psychological definition of the word, which, no, that is obviously not true. If I say having the fridge door open triggered my fridge's cooling system to turn on, I am not suggesting my fridge was put into a state of psychological distress. FFS.

[(Anonymous)]

Since we are doing reaching.
No, I consider She-Hulk just shitty, deal with it, including bad CGI and all. And it's stupid ending and it's #girlboss plot. If you like it, sure ok, I am glad for you.
Also I like Black Panther (first movie don't know about Wakanda), but can we agree that it's CGI in a fight scene is just bad? It's got nothing to do with this being a black-lead movie and got everything to do with Marvel's awful treatment of CGI artists and it's crunch culture. I still find this movie enjoyable, but I am going to bitch about uncanny valley.

Also. Explain Cats.

[(Anonymous)]

Cats is the perfect example of uncanny valley being a thing. Sometimes CGI can just be weird and wrong-looking in a way that has absolutely nothing to do with racism and everything to do with faces are not supposed to look like that.

[(Anonymous)]

See also: The Lion King remake

Seriously, they could have done stop-motion with taxidermy and it would have been less unsettling than those damn dead-eyed CGI lions.

[(Anonymous)]

I am going to bitch forever about CGI princess Leia.
My friends were OK with her and it's been years and I can't get over it. This was such a dead-eyed dead-faced monstrosity. And it was absolutely unnecessary. Just show her from behind and people would recognize her. It's Leia.

[(Anonymous)]

I don’t mind CGI. When it’s done well I even like it. And when it isn’t, I find it cringeworthy and that’s the most feeling I get. But I have absolutely no idea where you’re getting hidden racism or sexism from when it comes to people who feel a bit more strongly and don’t like it in certain instances, or in general.

[(Anonymous)]

I've never encountered this, but I have a similar reaction to people complaining about pacing. Obviously, things can be badly paced and critiquing this is valid, but when one person declares they didn't like a movie and a bunch of other people say the loved it and the first person then says something about "Well, the pacing wasn't very good..." you know that's not really the primary reason they didn't like it. They're just reaching for a technical critique thats hard to argue against to justify their emotional reaction in the face of everyone else having a different emotional reaction. (I don't automatically assume they hated whatever it is because they are racist. It might just be a matter of it not hitting them in the feels as much and feeling left out over it.)

[(Anonymous)]

CGI is like editing, if I notice it you're doing a bad job.

You though? You're either doing a great job trolling (look at all these responses!) or a terrible job judging character. You're going to get so many false positives that the test is useless.