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[ SECRET POST #5798 ]

⌈ Secret Post #5798 ⌋

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nice bait, sure would be a shame if it was scientifically wrong

It's not scientifically wrong.

We are a sexually dimorphic species. The ~1% of edge cases are the exception that proves the rule.

TRA logic is designed to make you accept conversion therapy. It's how its used in Iran and Thailand: anyone with same-sex attraction is pushed toward transition. The same thing is happening in the West, and you're going along with it, and buying into the idea that it's "science." But the fact is that most people with gender dysphoria are gay, lesbian, or bisexual, and a not insignificant percentage of them are also autistic. Lots of undesirables that we can make more palatable if we sterilize and perform surgery on them.

You are totally wrong and as far as I personally am concerned you are not welcome here.

One of the reasons why Tavistock in the UK shut down is because they were seeing an influx of lesbian patients who were feeling pressured to transition.

I am not wrong. You are wrong, and by doggedly refusing to consider that you might be, you're dooming same-sex attracted and the actual small amount of genuine trans people alike. If things keep going as they are, then in five years time, no one is going to support trans people. No one, and idiots like you will be to blame.

your claims to care about trans people are completely hollow and absurd. you are a bigot who is supporting an active campaign to promote bigotry. a lack of support for trans people is the outcome that you and your party want and are actively working towards. the idea that this campaign of bigotry is somehow, in fact, motivated by care for trans people is transparent bullshit. as is blaming those who support trans people for the anti-trans outcome that your lot are actively working to bring about.

go away.

You have not refuted anything I've said. You're just repeating, "you're wrong," over and over, with nothing of substance to back it up.

Provide evidence that Iran and Thailand don't use transition to convert gay men and lesbians. Provide evidence that lesbians in the West aren't being pressured to transition. Provide evidence that most people with gender dysphoria aren't same-sex attracted and/or autistic. Provide evidence that puberty blockers combined with hormones don't cause sterilization. Provide evidence that puberty blockers don't cause permanent anorgasmia in male-bodied people, that they don't cause a loss of bone density, that they don't cause cognitive issues.

Explain why the authors of the Dutch protocol are disturbed by what's going on in the US. Explain why Erica Anderson, a transwoman, is disturbed, and thinks we need to be more cautious. Explain why Scandinavia and the UK are taking a step back. Refute the reports that underpin their decision. A 15 year old boy has experienced so much spinal damage that he can't stand for more than 15 minutes at a time, and the clinic that treated him tried to cover it up. Do you think his case helps transpeople, or anyone, for that matter?

Your claim to care about trans people is hollow, because it's clear you haven't spent a single moment of your life actually engaging with the issue, the data, the science. You mindlessly repeat things that you've heard, things that you think will put you on the Right Side of History.

What if you're wrong, little bee? Have you ever really, truly taken a moment to consider what will happen if you are? I don't think you have. And because you haven't, because you won't, you don't see that your "advocacy" is going to have the exact opposite effect of what you hope.

*puts on pedant hat*

The "proves" in "the exception that proves the rule" doesn't mean "proves true." It means "tests."

The exceptions put the rule to the test.

Which is also true of gender and sexuality stuff; the rigid binary transphobes (and homophobes) are so fond of is a vast oversimplification of how that shit shakes out irl.

-a cis woman who a) has been mistaken for a cis dude and b) wishes you would fuck off and stop being a bigoted piece of shit.

And the test proves that we're dimorphic.

You being mistaken for a dude didn't make your uterus disappear or your gametes turn male, did it?

intersex people exist and are valid, people born without genitalia at all exist and are valid, so not only are you completely off the mark but you're suggesting a genocide of people you consider 'undesirable' and are off your rocker. go back to twitter

They account for less than 2% of the population, which means that they are an abnormality, not that they point to humans being something other than dimorphic. This is notwithstanding the fact that nominally intersex people are in fact one sex or the other at the level of the gamete. There is not a single person on this planet who has both male and female gametes.

And I am speaking against a genocide of "undesirables." Pushing same-sex attracted and autistic people toward transition is a way to eliminate those groups of people, and I am empathically against it, and my issue is that I believe you lot are unwittingly supporting it.

I don't want the very small amount of intersex people to be harmed; I don't want the very small amount of genuine trans people to be harmed. But you all seem to be very keen on allowing gay men, lesbians, bisexuals, and autists to be harmed so that you can avoid offending a certain virulent strain of trans activist.

you don't get to choose who you want to "save" or who "deserves it" and nobody wants "saving". marginalising an already marginalised group in a box where other LGBTQIA (see the T?) can point and laugh at them as a way of stringing yourself up as a martyr. arguing genetics is pointless because each day we reach towards a future where we want to become artificial.

you do want to harm the "very small amount" of trans people by not giving people the right to choose whether or not they want to transition. people have been miserable for decades before you came along because they were never given the option nor knew it was available.

the sooner you people own up and realise that trans people are people deserving of kindness and respect, the sooner we'll all get along.

Can you point to where I said I don't want actual trans people to be able to transition?

I would really like it if you all would respond to what I'm actually saying, rather than to the imaginary person you're arguing with.

NAYRT

You want the subset of trans people who you consider trans to be able to transition.

You don't want the larger subset of trans people that you do not consider trans to be able to transition, regardless of whether they happen to disagree with you.

A) The group of people at odds here - IE, trans people who you do not believe are trans - largely reject your whole project and outlook on the world, and they do not believe that you are helping them. They believe that you are trying to make their lives worse. This remains true no matter how much you write it off as "virulent trans activism".

B) Whatever you may want or desire, it is *inevitable* that in any world that more aggressively polices gender boundaries, intersex people and trans people whose trans identity you accept would face greatly increased discrimination.

C) The social conservatives who are the allies of your movement simply want to eliminate homosexuality and divergence from traditional gender norms, period. To the extent that they have any influence on the outcomes of your political project it would certainly lead to much greater and more severe mistreatment of women, trans people, gay people, and more or less everyone else.

D) I think the thesis that underlies your whole argument - that gender transition is a mechanism for forcing people to be straight and neurotypical - is wrong. There are several things that make me think it's wrong. For one thing, it just is not what it is happening; those are not the facts on the ground. Second, the structure of your argument relies on assuming that you simply know what is best for straight trans men and autistic trans people, that they simply do not know what is best for them and can't sort out their own lives and make their own decisions. And third, on a conceptual level, the idea that gender diversity and questioning of gender is at odds with neurodiversity and sexual diversity doesn't wash. In fact, these things all support each other.

A+++

(and damn, people weren't lying when they said that the Terf to eugenics pipeline was real)

Who said anything about eugenics?

Do you people just pick counterarguments out of a hat?

So you waited until the Transgender Day of Remembrance just to be extra trash, eh?

Don't tell me you don't know exactly how your words sound. If you're not a troll, then you are hateful, or coming from a very misinformed and misguided place. Either way, what you are saying is very dangerous and hurts real people.

What's very dangerous and hurts real people is denying that we're a sexually dimorphic species; acting as if it's common to be trans; and, due to that, treating every dysphoric or non-conforming person as if they're trans, and encouraging them to transition rather than exploring other reasons why they might be dysphoric, such as that they're gay, lesbian, bisexual, or autistic.

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