[ SECRET POST #5847 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5847 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

DA than the one you've been discussing this with

Yes, the characters are different and have different overall arcs, but Trek is an episodic series with varying writing quality/ style/ tone over its hundreds of episodes. So while they are not the same characters, I also don't think it's inaccurate for OP to state that Data functioned as the 'Spock' stand-in/analogue in many, many episodes, in that he presented a logical or precise response to a situation - a response that may or may not have clashed with other characters' perspectives, depending on the needs of the episode's narrative.

I think the main difference between Data and Spock is actually that Data is learning about humanity essentially from the perspective of what is essentially a child with Picard being his father figure, while Spock's character in TOS is very much a jaded, experienced adult who essentially has to be bullied into seeing the world from his human half's perspective (or recognising his unconscious biases) by his peers (usually either Kirk or McCoy).

So Data's overall arc is about becoming human, while Spock's is about accepting and seeing the value in his 'irrational' human side.

[meadowphoenix]

I think it's inaccurate because "'Spock' stand-in/analogue" is not what OP says. They say Data is a "bad imitation of Spock", and I don't think those two things are the same, and I also don't think the latter is accurate.

eta: I agree with your main difference, and I think that's a major difference, even to analogize him to Spoke on a new crew (where I agree that sometimes they are used in similar ways). They may stand in similar spots but they are coming from completely different directions and that informs the dynamics they introduce as characters in a group.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

I see your point on the differences between an analogue and OP's point. I also disagree that Data is a 'bad' imitation. But I suppose I continue to sympathise with OP as I can understand how a fan might find Data annoying because of how he functions very similarly to Spock's character in episodes where his larger arc isn't relevant.

I also remember thinking that Data seemed quite emotional for an android that supposedly didn't understand human emotions - something that didn't bother me as I liked his character, but I could see bothering someone who was expecting more consistent 'robotic' characterisation.

The schtick criticism makes me think OP may be on the hard sci fi end of the Trek fandom spectrum, which does fit with their frustrations with Data as a character.

[meadowphoenix]

yeah, if OP thinks Data is annoying and not androidic enough, fair. my objection is strictly about the type of comparison to spock.