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⌈ Secret Post #5872 ⌋

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[fscom]

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[(Anonymous)]

I wouldn't even say it's cringe. Fantasies that take place in fiction can be a safe space for women (and young women) to explore their desires, look at what makes that relationship dynamic tick, etc. Romanticizing it or moving that to real life would be a problem, of course. But fiction is fiction is fiction.

[(Anonymous)]

Cringe and problematic are different things. Calling it cringe (whether or not you agree) means something different than thinking it's morally wrong or problematic.

[(Anonymous)]

Fuck off with your purity culture shit.

[(Anonymous)]

DA chill, they were explaining the word usage, not making a judgement

[(Anonymous)]

I'm so bored with how the hypercompetent girlboss thing is treated like the only acceptable archetype for girls to read about. It's ok to fantasize about being a passive little princess. Often it's the overachievers who are most into it because they need a fucking break!

[sabotabby]

I remember Kerry Washington giving a really powerful interview about what it meant for her as a Black woman to be rescued and put on a pedestal, because she was always expected to be strong and resilient.

[meadowphoenix]

no that was in defense of django because she had very few lines but was all up in the movie and she was on some bullshit too, lmao.

[(Anonymous)]

This is a fair point, but in Greek mythology does grow into a badass.

[(Anonymous)]

Sorry, I meant to say that *Persephone* does grow into a badass.

[(Anonymous)]

Thank you!

I've had to work on my own struggles of loving certain tropes and feeling like a bad feminist/woman.

I have to be "tough" IRL to not be taken advantage of. The only place I feel safe to be vulnerable and delicate is in fiction.

Rec

[(Anonymous)]

If anyone's looking for a really good take on Hades and Persephone, read Receiver of Many, by Rachel Alexander. It looks like it's still posted on AO3, which was where it started. It treads a line...it doesn't have noncon or dubcon, but it the heroine isn't a girlboss either. It does have the "Kidnapping you for your own good" trope, which is hard to get around, so if you don't like that, it's not your thing. But it's really well-written and has great characterization and hot sex.

Re: Rec

[(Anonymous)]

I've been meaning to read this and didn't realize it was on AO3. Thanks for the rec!

[meadowphoenix]

I just wish they would stop using demeter for their problems with their own mothers.
/stan

fr tho, at some point that relationship is romantic. he doesn't cheat, he concedes to her desires when she asks, she gets to cheat which is only also true of married Aphrodite... people aren't wrong for thinking it's the most romantic of the greek pantheon relationships (for woman anyway) at its best, and if you ask me they were 100% trying to reconcile "close affectionate relationship" with "kidnapping and rape in a classic patriarchal display of women's ownership by men" there are a lot of time periods where that is fully reconcilable. this current one? it's going to feel like a conflict. and the best way to ease that is to make it not rape after all, but intense mutual love.

[(Anonymous)]

Thank you. This myth and it's modern interpretations have got a whole lot more nuance than OP is giving them credit for.

[meadowphoenix]

honestly, i had to grow into this, because i did seethe when all the tumblr girls started pretending the "real" myth was that it was love at the start and classicists were just...mistaken or something. and i do think the mutual love reading obscures quite a bit of the lovely nuance of the OG. but it's not hard to see why in this zeitgeist people decided to reimagine it, and i think the conflict of where feminism is now and how it encounters myths like this is really interesting.

[(Anonymous)]

I mean, I can see why? She'd locked her daughter into a garden so that literally no one but her could see her.

[meadowphoenix]

in the ur-myth of this, the Homeric Hymn to Demeter, no she doesn't. Persephone is free to roam, that's literally what she's doing when Hades kidnaps her and that freedom is how Gaia tricked her into getting into place (Gaia grows the narcissus which is too pretty to resist picking). What myth version are you referring to?

[(Anonymous)]

Hades, Hephaestus (though the marriage is generally not very happy), and Eros seems to be the least shitty husbands among the gods.

[meadowphoenix]

while they were married the myths mostly have Dionysius being a good husband to Ariadne but yeah he's not good with other women.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, when an extremely popular winner of dozens of Best Video Game awards did it, people have no excuse for complaining anymore when random girls do it.

[(Anonymous)]

tbh i think the complaints are just "thing i dislike is popular" and imo those complaints are valid

[(Anonymous)]

Not liking that something you don't like is popular is valid, but you can just say exactly that. On the other hand, saying "This is cringe and girls who like it are cringe and setting back feminism" is insincere and invalid. Needing to justify your dislike for something with "facts" about why it's objectively bad is cringe.

[(Anonymous)]

Look, we leave tweens alone with wattpad and a keyboard and we get dozens of variations on "My Mom Sold Me To One Direction". History/mythology nerds deserve their outlet too!

[(Anonymous)]

This title is sending me lmaooo

I've only read some retellings of myths (after the actual myth, or at least common versions of myths), and now I'm wondering if a retelling (like say Lore Olympus) is just fanfiction of the myth (what makes one retelling more legit than say the fic someone recced up thread? Is that fic actually just another retelling? Is there a line and where do we draw it? I sometimes wonder this with published historical fiction that is based off of real people)