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⌈ Secret Post #5872 ⌋

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[meadowphoenix]

I just wish they would stop using demeter for their problems with their own mothers.
/stan

fr tho, at some point that relationship is romantic. he doesn't cheat, he concedes to her desires when she asks, she gets to cheat which is only also true of married Aphrodite... people aren't wrong for thinking it's the most romantic of the greek pantheon relationships (for woman anyway) at its best, and if you ask me they were 100% trying to reconcile "close affectionate relationship" with "kidnapping and rape in a classic patriarchal display of women's ownership by men" there are a lot of time periods where that is fully reconcilable. this current one? it's going to feel like a conflict. and the best way to ease that is to make it not rape after all, but intense mutual love.

[(Anonymous)]

Thank you. This myth and it's modern interpretations have got a whole lot more nuance than OP is giving them credit for.

[meadowphoenix]

honestly, i had to grow into this, because i did seethe when all the tumblr girls started pretending the "real" myth was that it was love at the start and classicists were just...mistaken or something. and i do think the mutual love reading obscures quite a bit of the lovely nuance of the OG. but it's not hard to see why in this zeitgeist people decided to reimagine it, and i think the conflict of where feminism is now and how it encounters myths like this is really interesting.

[(Anonymous)]

I mean, I can see why? She'd locked her daughter into a garden so that literally no one but her could see her.

[meadowphoenix]

in the ur-myth of this, the Homeric Hymn to Demeter, no she doesn't. Persephone is free to roam, that's literally what she's doing when Hades kidnaps her and that freedom is how Gaia tricked her into getting into place (Gaia grows the narcissus which is too pretty to resist picking). What myth version are you referring to?

[(Anonymous)]

Th. The common mythos most people know, which is "Kore is stuck in a garden, blissfully ignorant of the outside world, there is sneaking in to see what Demeter is hiding or to see if the tales of a locked-away beauty are true, and then shit goes to hell"

[meadowphoenix]

wow, that's.....nowhere in any actual classical myth of either demeter or persephone, ceres or proserpina. even in ovid, where the mess is frankly venus' (and eros') fault, the point is that proserpina is turning into another athena or diana and venus sees this as a lessening of her power. it's actually pretty important to both demeter and persephone's combined mystery cults that both have free rein of the earth.

i'm dying to know where this comes from? is there a fanfic or re-imagined novel? do you know the source?

eta: i will say though that when this reinterpretation was brewing on tumblr, people absolutely knew the real thing, and they were still casting demeter as an oppressive mother rather than an understandably frantic one.

[(Anonymous)]

Wow, I'd never heard that version. Not that I have exhaustedly read everything about Greek mythology, but how widespread is this one, I wonder? The version I read was that Persephone was out picking flowers with her friends when the ground opens up and Hades pops out to kidnap her. Demeter was blameless, perhaps until the point where she allowed barren winter to overtake the land while looking for her daughter.

[(Anonymous)]

I have never heard that version in my life.

[(Anonymous)]

Not even the version I learned in middle school social studies went like this...

[(Anonymous)]

That’s a new one on me. Are you sure that whoever told you that wasn’t mixing Persephone up with Rapunzel?

[(Anonymous)]

Hades, Hephaestus (though the marriage is generally not very happy), and Eros seems to be the least shitty husbands among the gods.

[meadowphoenix]

while they were married the myths mostly have Dionysius being a good husband to Ariadne but yeah he's not good with other women.