[ SECRET POST #5875 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5875 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

A point of view I've seen increasingly often of late, and one I vehemently disagree with. Fandom should always be free, forever and always.

[(Anonymous)]

OP's position about AO3 is blazingly stupid for reasons that are pretty obvious.

I think you're going too far the other way though.

[(Anonymous)]

Why do you believe in setting monetary barriers to fandom participation? Oh, right, you hate those filthy poors and want to keep them out of your nice cozy fandom.

[(Anonymous)]

I think fandom should generally be free where possible but I don't have a problem with somebody charging money for a physical zine, for instance, or having a link to a tip jar on their Tumblr

We can all just be normal about this

[(Anonymous)]

I don't have a problem with somebody charging money for a physical zine, for instance

That's really not the same thing, though. Paying money for a physical item that costs money to produce in the first place makes logical sense. You're not paying for the zine itself so much as you are paying for the costs that go into making the zine - that's why doujinshi are so cheap in Japan, for example. The artists aren't making actual profit off them, they're just paying for the costs of printing the doujinshi.

[(Anonymous)]

It doesn't matter a bit to me whether the money for a zine goes just to cover costs, or whether there's residual money over and above costs.

[(Anonymous)]

Not if we're dealing with Disney's lawyers, we can't. I realise you're probably just trolling, admittedly.

[(Anonymous)]

The idea that anyone anywhere in fandom charging money for, or making a profit on, derivative content is going to immediately bring down the wrath of Disney and Make Fandom Illegal Everywhere is preposterous. That is not going to happen. For one thing *people are already charging money for and making a profit on fanworks*. If Disney was out looking for a pretext to ban fandom, they would have more than enough already to do so. The reality is that large companies have no strong incentive or rationale to try to ban fandom, as long as people don't get insanely out of hand with monetization. Someone having a ko-fi on their Tumblr is way, way, way under the line here.

There are good and robust reasons why monetization can't be allowed *on AO3 specifically*. But the idea that ko-fis, or commissions, or projects like physical zines are an existential threat to fandom is ridiculous. It's not 1995.

[(Anonymous)]

What monetary barriers? Write fic and post it? What, you want to be paid for your time doing a fun hobby?

Strip the serial numbers off and sell your shit on Amazon, if you think you'd make a profit. Some people do.

My most popular fic has over 10k kudos. Do I think readers would give me ten cents to read it? Hahaha, no.

[(Anonymous)]

god, same. no one would have paid me to read the million-word longfic I wrote. I'm just happy that fandom is happy. there's no serial-number-filing for me, my fics are too reliant on the fandom foundation to ever make a lick of sense in an original context.

[(Anonymous)]

My personal line is "commissions are ok" - if you ask an artist or author to create something strictly for you, to your specifications, then they're working for you and you're paying for their time and effort being put into something you wanted them to make vs. something they wanted to make for themselves to share. I'd include fanfic in this the same as commissioning any other creative work.

Artists and authors accepting donations in the purest sense, no strings attached, no paywalled content, just "buy me a coffee if you liked this thing that will continue to be free" is also fine to me.

[(Anonymous)]

This is my stance too. I'm a fan translator and I have a Ko-Fi if people want to give me something as a thanks, but my translations are and will always be free for everyone to enjoy.

The moment you start putting fandom stuff behind a paywall, fandom ceases to be for everyone. It turns into "you can only participate in fandom if you have the money to spend on it," which defeats the entire purpose of fandom in the first place.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

I do think though that if a fan of some obscure C-novel for example, that you had no interest in or plans on translating, commissioned you to translate it and provide the translation to them, that is a fair case in which they should expect to pay you for your time. If they or you then want to release the translation for free to everyone, even better!

[(Anonymous)]

I see giving to a person's Ko-Fi as no different from donating to keep AO3 up and running, just on a micro level.

+1

[(Anonymous)]

I agree

[(Anonymous)]

DA

Your last sentence. Yes. This is the big reason I'm wary of money and fanfic crossing paths so much, too. We already see how messy things get when people are upset that someone got more kudos or comments or bookmarks than them. Throw money into that mix and it'll just add to that stress.

It also takes away from people's insistence that they're "just doing this for fun!" when someone comes in to critique their work or something. Well, no, not if you're getting paid for it, you're not. At least, that's not the only reason you're writing anymore, it's not just> a fun hobby anymore.

And I say all of this as someone who also struggles financially and can sympathize with people's desire to want to get a little extra money for necessities and whatnot I totally understand that desire to get paid to help with all of that, I just don't know that this is the best route to make that happen.

[(Anonymous)]

Totally with you. Making money from fanworks is inexcusable.