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Re: Fuck Elon Musk with a cactus

(Anonymous) 2023-02-18 10:29 pm (UTC)(link)
NAYRT I think a lot of people who think it has to be one or the other (so of course it should be the best public transit) forget about large footprint countries (Canada, Australia, Russia, etc) where it's impossible outside of core cities to not NOT have a car. Even if I would efficiently use transit to get to work, it's a 2 hour drive (in good traffic) to get to my parents'. I wouldn't give up my car.

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(Anonymous) 2023-02-18 10:35 pm (UTC)(link)
NAYRT

Even then, there are a lot of 2-hour drives that could be replaced by reliable inter-city train service.

Not *all* of them obviously, especially in more remote rural areas. But a lot of them!

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(Anonymous) 2023-02-18 10:47 pm (UTC)(link)
Turn a two hour drive into a five hour, four bus, trip. Public Transport: FTW!

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(Anonymous) 2023-02-18 10:48 pm (UTC)(link)
I agree that shitty public transit is not a good replacement for cars! I think everyone agrees with that.

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(Anonymous) 2023-02-18 10:51 pm (UTC)(link)
Stop thinking about it as replacing current cars with current public transit.
It's replacing current cars with A LOT MORE OF MUCH BETTER public transit.

Re: Fuck Elon Musk with a cactus

(Anonymous) 2023-02-18 10:56 pm (UTC)(link)
Unless the train picks me up at my door and takes me direct to my destination, it is still going to take longer and require more fucking around than my car. Plus it means sharing personal space with some gross sweaty germ ridden other person, which my car does not require.

Re: Fuck Elon Musk with a cactus

(Anonymous) 2023-02-18 11:02 pm (UTC)(link)
AYRT

Because your personal convenience is definitely worth making the planet uninhabitable...

Re: Fuck Elon Musk with a cactus

(Anonymous) 2023-02-18 11:25 pm (UTC)(link)
You're right, anon. It's just an inconvenient reality and people get hostile when you confront them with it.

Re: Fuck Elon Musk with a cactus

(Anonymous) 2023-02-19 12:31 am (UTC)(link)
"gross sweaty germ ridden" other people are not simply a convenience issue in these times of covid

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(Anonymous) 2023-02-19 12:39 am (UTC)(link)
AYRT

They are if everyone has access to sanitation and hygiene and mental and physical healthcare. Mass transit (except planes) don't even make the top ten list of places you're most likely to catch covid. Wash your hands and wear a mask. Done.

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(Anonymous) 2023-02-19 09:25 am (UTC)(link)
Individual traffic has been proven to be the smallest and most negligible part of global pollution. It's just a way for governments and industries to try and put the blame on the individual who can't actually change much on the global scale and away from themselves. And where do you think all the electricity for those oh so clean electronic cars and trains comes from?

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(Anonymous) 2023-02-19 09:41 am (UTC)(link)
It's not a large part but it's still a part. The amount of emissions we need to reduce is very large, and reducing individual traffic is relatively easy to do compared to a lot of other things, and there are other reasons besides emissions to do it.

And where do you think all the electricity for those oh so clean electronic cars and trains comes from?

I mean.... the whole point is that we do have ways of generating electricity that are not fossil fuel-based. We have wind and solar which are growing really quickly, we have nuclear, and we have hydro.

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(Anonymous) 2023-02-18 11:06 pm (UTC)(link)
This. Also, I can't sing my little heart out to early 2000s pop punk songs or perform my one woman version of Les Miserables on public transport.

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(Anonymous) 2023-02-19 12:35 am (UTC)(link)
Tradeoff though, I can read on my bus/train commute. When I did that twice a day I read SO MANY more books. Can't do that while driving (audiobooks, sure, but my memory retention is a lot better of stuff I read than stuff I hear).

Re: Fuck Elon Musk with a cactus

(Anonymous) 2023-02-18 11:39 pm (UTC)(link)
OK, yeah, there are some advantages to driving, being in private is nice, it's all great. But it's also a lot more expensive than taking public transit. You're spending a lot of money to be in private. And also, a lot of the reason it's so convenient is because American cities are designed that way. There's a lot of things that we've done to reduce potential fuckery and annoyance for people who drive.

Like, think about parking. Parking can be a *huge* hassle and require a lot of fucking around if there aren't parking spaces, both at wherever you live to park it when it's at home, and at your destination. American cities devote huge amounts of real estate to parking, including really valuable square footage in the middle of urban cores. If that square footage could be used for other stuff, like housing or business developments, that would be great for cities economically. Using all that space for parking is a huge cost to cities, even though it's effectively invisible. And that's just one example.

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(Anonymous) 2023-02-18 11:43 pm (UTC)(link)
This

Re: Fuck Elon Musk with a cactus

(Anonymous) 2023-02-19 02:26 am (UTC)(link)
If I lived in a city with great public transportation like New York, I'd give up my car.

I think the solution is urban cores with great public transportation and park-and-ride for people coming in from suburbs or visiting.

Re: Fuck Elon Musk with a cactus

(Anonymous) 2023-02-20 03:14 am (UTC)(link)
I live in England. Running a car is much, much cheaper than taking public transport. To access a train would now take me two buses and two walks, totalling a minimum of two hours in one direction.

Re: Fuck Elon Musk with a cactus

(Anonymous) 2023-02-18 11:53 pm (UTC)(link)
If it's a well designed system, it really doesn't. I take public transit to work everyday and it's cheaper, faster and easier than taking the car.

The trains can get full and I do hope that there's a special hell for people who take calls on speaker in public, but by and large it's way more convenient than taking the car for me (and all the thousands of other commuters on my route).

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(Anonymous) 2023-02-20 09:16 pm (UTC)(link)
God, moving to a city and getting rid of my car was honestly one of the best financial decisions I ever made because I save probably a couple thousand dollars a year by using public transportation instead of owning a car. Cars are MASSIVE money sinks and it boggles my mind that people don't seem to realize this.

Re: Fuck Elon Musk with a cactus

(Anonymous) 2023-02-19 12:07 am (UTC)(link)
"a lot more of much better" public transport is simply not going to be financially viable in the vast majority of cases

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(Anonymous) 2023-02-19 12:42 am (UTC)(link)
AYRT

If is if it's a priority for the country. In the US the car manufacturers, like Elon Musk, will pay politicians to stop it from ever happening. Amtrak is legally supposed to have right-of-way on all the rail lines. Guess how much that's enforced?

Why is it we have money for endless wars and tax cuts for the rich, but not enough for healthcare and public transit?

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(Anonymous) 2023-02-19 12:54 am (UTC)(link)
Why not?

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(Anonymous) 2023-02-19 04:05 am (UTC)(link)
i think public transport is really great in situations where you can easily get to it and the area is safe. it works really well in large cities, european cities and densely populated areas. it does not work that well in suburban and rural areas or in dangerous areas where you can't travel by foot to the public transport station.

the thing about america is that it's large. if you don't live in a city, there's a lot of land between your home and your worksite, like 25+ miles of distance. public transport is not set up for that. and to install that level of public transport would cost trillions. it would also tear into the natural landscape (or what's left of it).

i think its definitely worth looking into for certain situations but we need a government that's going to invest in it and maintain it. they do a bad enough job maintaining existing public transport systems, roads and infrastructure, especially in poor areas.

i do hate elon musk tho and i think we can do much better than tesla/electric cars. i'd love to see a solar powered vehicle.

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(Anonymous) 2023-02-19 04:02 pm (UTC)(link)
ayrt (i'm from the uk)

most of the uk is simply not set up for public transport; sure, it's decent enough in london (which is why journalists constantly insist it's the greatest thing since sliced bread - because they're all based in london) but outside of the major cities (and even within most of them) it's a joke

take a route i used to do fairly often; hunstanton (small seaside town where i lived) to kings lynn (where everything worth paying attention to was; entertainment, employment, etc) in norfolk - a sixteen mile trip. the bus takes three times as long as driving because in order to make it a financially viable service - and to provide the service - it has to be a route for everyone and everywhere in between as well. increasing the service frequency (two per hour each way), speed and time range (7am to 10pm - if you need to get a bus for an early shift at the hospital then tough shit buddy) inevitably costs money, and they're struggling to maintain viability as it is

and that's just a short sixteen mile fifty minute journey; try going any further than that and it only gets worse (a museum trip from hunstanton to norwich by public transport, for instance, is a bus and two trains, taking three hours for a journey of forty-five miles (by road) and costing an absolute fortune)

this isn't a one-off; this situation recurs all over the country. there's constant talk of "why don't we have japanese-style bullet trains running the length of the uk", and the big reason is that a viable service in the uk can't make enough money running point to point over the distance that makes high speed worth it (look at the shambles that is hs2); everything has to stop everywhere to be a one-size-fits-all solution

factor in industrial action (some part of the train crew is always on strike), arbitrary delays due to (among other things) chavs stealing metals, covid, and the fact that you've still got to get from each end to your start and destination? doesn't matter how much money you throw at it, public transport will never be able to supplant private (especially if you happen to be carrying something bigger than a breadbox)