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Just spent another two hours with wacky conspiracy nut coworker. I am exhausted, and have heard too much about Jewish space lasers and secret government hit squads abducting random people for their organs. Pray for me!

My coworker is trying to cure her asthma with essential oils and crystals. Saw "Great American Conspiracies" on her desk yesterday.

I'm assuming "Great American Conspiracies" isn't about, like, Watergate, or the Iran-contra, or all the times the CIA has tried to kill someone...

Yeah. This is why I roll my eyes whenever someone defends that bullshit by saying, "But it's harmless so it's okay!" Uh, it's not harmless if someone is trying to treat a real and threatening medical condition with it.

Jesus Christ you fuckers. No matter how many scientific medical articles I throw at you, you never stop.
https://www.nature.com/search?q=herbal
https://www.nature.com/search?q=aromatherapy
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0254629921002866 ("so what?" neuroinflammation factors in a lot of severe mental disorders such as Alzheimers and schizophrenia and so on.)
Aromatherapy / essential oils and natural medicine do work, so much that warnings have been issued against them because JUST LIKE SYNTHETIC drugs they can cause harmful side-effects.

But it's not my fucking fault that what you call "aromatherapy" in the US is some weird adulterated marketable bs sold through pyramid schemes. Which, you know, is not what aromatherapy is actually. Not my fault either that some people who know shit about meds will wrongfully believe that they can replace rivastigmine for some herb because it's "less harmful" and have it work in the same way because that's just NOT how it works. I resorted to herbal therapy after trying out over 5 conventional meds (because it's trial and error for doctors, who don't know your inner workings in-depth, too) and had doctors tell me that my side/effects were "unheard of" (until they did their research) since I am unfortunate enough to have a body resistant to many conventional treatments. Doesn't mean I quit looking for the right synthetic drug either. But I need to be able to work to pay the bills (including medical ones) so whatever works is fine. When you say "don't believe in aromatherapy and herbal treatments" or "they don't work for me" that's completely fine and it's a YOU issue. Not all drugs work for everyone. However, when you say "aromatherapy and herbal treatments don't work and should be stopped" you're actively harming the survivability of people such as myself and I WILL fight you for that. Particularly because a lot of people who say such bullshit have NOT studied biology at an advanced level and DON'T actually know what they are talking about.

tl;dr "haha she so crazyy conspirationist lol" whatever, fine, keep doing you :D "stop selling these" no. The aspirins and ibuprofens you take (and I say you because where I live the synthetic analgesic of choice isn't that) have side-effects too and no one is telling you to quit them, because you need them.

Do you actually read the articles you vomit up? Because even the ones you've puked up today all boil down to "Some natural remedies may have some benefits. Additional research is needed to see if they actually do anything worthwhile." And none of them are promoting aromatherapy as primary cancer treatment.

As for side effects being proof of effectiveness... how about you drink some radium water for a few months? Maybe spike it with a little "raw water," just for extra health benefits? Radium and sewage are ALL NATURAL, unlike those awful synthetic drugs! If it's not effective, then clearly you will have nothing to worry about since side effects only happen if your alternative medicine works JUST LIKE the real thing.

Do you read? - Not at all, because I did enough research in the past and I am no aromatherapy advocate to keep tabs on them. I merely researched "what's the newest review / overview on their effects?" and sent it. IF you REALLY wanted to know whether they can be effective for some people you'd do the research yourself but the thing is you don't want to know, you just want to vomit your own thoughts on the subject. Which aren't based on science, just on "this and that person are annoying and they like/sell aromatherapy!".

WHOEVER said anything like that, honest question?! 100% sure that I never did and I would never joke about something like that. The links mostly spoke of aromatherapy and herbal therapy against neuro and psych illnesses which is what I need it for.

YOU ARE SPEAKING OF NATURAL MEDICINE AS IF THEY AREN'T "THE REAL THING" and I have NO FUCKING idea where you got it from since most synthetic drugs are fabricated using natural products mixed up with other substances. It's all herb-based. And I literally just said there are warnings against herbal medicine's potential adverse side effects. Anything that has a chemical effect can have a harmful chemical effect on some bodies - it's just normal, BASIC biochemistry. And now you are saying there are no side effects as if I had said anything of the sort. Fuck you. You are an imbecile and I hope you struggle with an illness that can't be treated by synthetic drugs just like I do then maybe you will think "wow! would've been nice if more research on natural drugs had been done" .

(Obvious disclaimer: What I meant by this was, can't be treated by the currently available synthetic drugs. And maybe can be treated by currently available natural drugs, you know, substances that are available for free in nature but scientists don't do proper research because big pharma and freaks like you are against it.)

And by they aren't I meant it isn't but I can't type anymore, lol.

Can't believe some people, honestly. "According to the articles, more research is needed" yes, that's... how EVERY scientific article that isn't a consubstantiated review of a substance that's been known and researched for decades ends, as you would know if you actually worked in the field. Because more research is ALWAYS needed, unless you are trying to shove your dumb product down people's throats with no regard for users' well-being and safety. A LOT of reviews on the most popular synthetic drugs' effects also end on a note like that. Of course more research is needed. But they also reach conclusions such as "this seems to be effective against this and that" and this is what counts. Then, more research is needed. Guess who funds "more research"? Guess whose interests are at play here? Not ill common folk that's for sure.

nayrt

Well, you've totally got me sold now. What a completely credible argument, and it's amazing how you managed to get your point across without shouting people down or calling them names or wishing curses upon them.

By the way, is there a natural medicine cure for raging temper tantums? You should look into that.

You remember the comment from other day about some native English speakers being borderline illiterate and how they drive non-native English speakers crazy because we have to wonder if we're THAT bad at communicating or if they're just THAT mean/dumb?

Since that secret I have been paying attention to that and it DOES seem like they're just that mean/dumb.

I mean, you could try engaging with what they're actually saying and not merely policing tone, though. Like, yeah, their tone is not helping them out here. But the brunt of what they're actually saying is, "Please stop advocating for the one thing that helps make my medical condition livable to be banned."

I don't see them claiming that pharmacology is bad, or that everyone should be pursuing this kind of treatment, or that this kind of treatment will work for everyone if they are openminded enough, or that there aren't snake oil salesmen out there who should be stopped, or that people with life-threatening conditions should neglect the treatments their medical practitioners advise in lieu of pursuing alternative medicine. All of these things are bullshit, but I don't see AYRT claiming any of this. But you seem disinclined to engage with what they actually are saying, instead intent to focus smugly on their tone.

Thank you for "translating" it.

Of course my tone is going to come across as distressed if people are hoping that things that help me get banned, and it doesn't help my case that I am not a native (not even a fluent tbh) English speaker so their oratory will always come across as more intricate than mine (in their language at least).

But people jumping to conclusions such as: if you 'believe' in herbal medicine (as if that was a matter of faith ffs) then you are against synthetic medicine is so... wild. So insane. It's a purely cultural thing. There's no "us" vs "them" in this case to the world at large (a lot of doctors will prescribe BOTH wholly synthetic AND herb-based medicine depending on the circumstances) and I keep saying "what works, works" but it goes over their heads every single time.

Yeah, that totally made me think you AREN'T a crazy conspiracy theorist....

Haha, right? Because that sounded 100% sensible and sane.

Believe in flimsy pseudoscience nonsense if you want to, but I'm not going to encourage anyone to try snake oil just because you think it works for you. Guess you'll have to die mad about it.

You are just a pathetic troll and I still hope you end up struggling with an illness that could've been cured with natural medicine if scientists weren't afraid of doing the research because some people will call it "pseudoscience" gratuitously.

(Snake oil anon here) While we are at it I kept reading "snake oil this, snake oil that" and had to wonder where everyone got the "snake oil" from, since I was talking about herbal medicine and aromatherapy not snake oil. Wikipedia JUST taught me what "snake oil" means to you.

It's funny because apparently immigrant Asian laborers used actual snake oil to treat pains from overworking just like they did in their countries, then some disgusting US salesmen started selling mineral oil claiming that it was snake oil (probably thinking something along the lines of "it's placebo anyways, whatever works for those chinks") and that it would cure Anything and that's how it was.

Meanwhile "snake oil" is just, well, snake-based oil to people like me who live in places where snakes are common (way more than I would like - ugh) and works as a topical analgesic just as much as, say, camphor (Vicks Vaporub etc) or ice (except it doesn't burn, unless you're allergic, or melt while you're applying it). It's not going to cure bursitis though, just alleviate the pain (good luck with that surgery).

You could bring/wear something from here in to work for the hell of it.

https://dissentpins.com/collections/secret-jewish-space-laser

are you allowed to put in earbuds and listen to music at work? my guess is you probably aren't but some jobs allow it if you're lucky.

do you think your boss would put a stop to it if you went to them? if not, the only other thing i can think of is to tell the conspiracy nut "can you please stop? no one wants to hear that crap."

This. At my workplace we're not supposed to talk about politics (and I guess conspiracy theories would fall under that). Of course, we're humans and politics do come up, but everyone understands that boundaries have to be drawn for the sake of harmony, and we all know that if things go to far we have the right to ask for it to stop or to go to the manager about it. Does your workplace have a policy about it?

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