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[(Anonymous)]

For me it's a classic Sturgeon's Law situation - sure, plenty of 1st person books are crap; plenty of books are crap period. I've never understood peoples' objections to 1st person at all.

[(Anonymous)]

Personally I hate 1st person narration because I don't want to be put into the story. I don't self insert, I don't project, the way I enjoy my media is being a fly on the wall on each scene; never directly involved in any way shape or form, just observing. 1st just gives me all of the eebie jeebies and do not wanties.

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DA

That's a fault of the author tbh - a good first person POV story will have "I" the character be strong enough so that it's clearly someone else's thoughts you're reading from their perspective, not yours.

Unfortunately it doesn't work at all unless that well written and clear characterization is there, which doesn't happen too often. Especially not with writers who think their generic YA protag is different enough from others to stand out as unique and cause reader/narrator separation without effort.

[(Anonymous)]

I think that is why Aaronovitch's Rivers Of London manages it, he keeps the first person narrative conversational with the reader instead of declaritive.

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AYRT

For me, in a 1st person story (at least any moderately well-executed one) I don't put myself in the shoes of the protagonist; I'm still observing the scene, I just am observing it from a vantage point that also gives me access to what's going on in a character's skull

[(Anonymous)]

Omniscient third person works better.

[(Anonymous)]

It depends on the style and the setup and the story, neither's really better than the other.

[philstar22]

I have a different problem. I like to immerse myself in a world when I read, and for some reason I can only do that with third person. I'm sure there are some great first and second person things, but they just don't work for me.

[(Anonymous)]

Huh. I've never thought of 1st person as being a self-insert kind of perspective to a reader. In all of my favorites, it's the character telling the story to the reader.

da

[(Anonymous)]

I get where ayrt is coming from, so looking at it this way - 1st person is MC telling you their story, 3rd person is fly on the wall - still makes aesthetic sense to me. I'm with ayrt, I don't want one person telling me their story, I want to experience the whole of everyone's interconnected tales without perspective shift, so 3rd person omniscient is my number 1 A+ every time.

like, I get where 1st person works, especially with an unreliable narrator, but whe I read for fun I kind of don't want to have to think about the artistic value of the unreliable narrator and how they see their world even if it's wrong - and doubly-so if the MC is an ass who I hate with every fiber of my being. Do not want. I'm here for sweeping tales of everyone everywhere.

Re: da

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT I feel like there's more 3rd person limited available than 3rd person omniscient, though, which introduces the same problems. Like...even if you're a fly on the wall, you're still mainly following the protagonist, right?

And 3rd person omniscient CAN be really good, I agree, but some of the categories under that are chapter-by-chapter POV, which I'm definitely not always in the mood for (but to be fair, I LOVE when they do hit the spot), or clumsy POV shifts between the characters and who they're following.

[(Anonymous)]

is there? that's unfortunate. I cut my teeth on Watership Down and Lord of the Rings, so anything that can't rise to that narraive omniscience just doesn't work for me.

which may explain my lack of patience for anything published in the 2000s hm.