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⌈ Secret Post #5961 ⌋

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My naiive theory is this...

[(Anonymous)]

Hoteps be hoteppin because all they saw in their early years was Hotep themed advertisements for hair straighteners and the like.

If lots of the multimedia of your formative years is directed towards a bizarre theory, then you may wind up beleiving that theory.

Signed, a disgusted Italian American who does not beleive that Christopher Colombus was a nice dude at all.

Re: My naiive theory is this...

[(Anonymous)]

OH lord, I can imagine all the propaganda some of you Italian Americans have with the whole "an Italian dude discovered the "new world". We are the real fathers of America" (MAYBE??? I honestly have no idea lol)

Incredibly enough, in Italy (ciao! /waves) we never really thought of Columbus as a "good" person. He was just an explorer from Genoa (Italy didn't exist back then) who discovered America while being financed by Spain and Isabel de Castilla.
When I was a kid they aired this japanese/italian cartoon with a banger of an OP song ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ireaJn7sOI0 \m/ ) and that's basically the most propagandist stuff we have with Cristoforo Colombo being a good guy and a good explorer who was interested in other people's cultures (that cartoon is almost surely VERY racist, but I don't want to rewatch it to find out).

But when you go to middle school you learn that after Columbus discovered the America they basically killed everyone in sight just to get the riches and the land.
I think I first learned that the Spaniards killed the indigenous American people with pox when I was 9 years old.

I'm sure there are some Italians that think highly of proudly about Columbus, but I honestly never interacted with one in my life. We just... don't care...

Re: My naiive theory is this...

[(Anonymous)]

Not Italian but our teaching of Columbus was very sparse with the early learning about him being: he discovered America, to later history lessons where it was: he was trying to find India, got it wrong and then claimed that he did because he's an idiot. And that's about it. So I was very ignorant about the awful things he did because he's waved off as a non-person for the most part when you get past the baby-stages of history lessons where I live.

It completely baffled me to learn that he has a day dedicated to him in the US when he's considered a laughing stock by most Europeans(not to say that there won't be people who think he's The Shit here, but mostly we just... don't care).

Re: My naiive theory is this...

[(Anonymous)]

AYART

>>he was trying to find India, got it wrong and then claimed that he did because he's an idiot
OH YEAH. Same. There is a lot on emphasis on the fact that he was mistaken and that is why here we still (SIGH) call the indigenous people of America "Indian American". I always found that ridiculous.

We Italians know more about Columbus maybe because he was from here (and there is tourism in Genoa because of him), but I do believe that for us is way more important Ferdinand Magellan. IDK I hear people talking about him in a way better light.

Re: My naiive theory is this...

[(Anonymous)]

In Spain they celebrate the Columbus Day as a way for celebrate "the friendship between Spain and Latino America", which perplex me because... Spain, you have many good dates to celebrate your country and you choose one from someone that is taken as a big joke? /smh

Re: My naiive theory is this...

[(Anonymous)]

“Columbus Day” was created in the 1890s as a way to combat violent anti-Italian racism in the US. Like it was literally part of a the government’s response to a bunch of lynchings (the US’s issues with immigrants aren’t new). Before then, Columbus was more of a historical side note. But Italian American communities leaned into Columbus Day hard, and now here we are.

Re: My naiive theory is this...

[(Anonymous)]

Italian anon here

WOW! I had no idea! Thanks for this info. This is very interesting.
I was aware of anti Italian racism in the USA, but not that the Columbus day was established to combat it! :O
I will look more into this.

Re: My naiive theory is this...

[(Anonymous)]

LatAm here: We don't learn that Columbus discovered America perse. We know he thought he found a good route to arrive to India, came back to Europe after all the shit he did in Central America to say he found the route and then Amerigo Vespucci was the "one" that discovered America.