[ SECRET POST #5966 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5966 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

DA

Fuck them yourself, you coward. If the actual creation isn't the fun part, you are in the WRONG hobby.

[(Anonymous)]

Lol. Well, I am not in this hobby anymore, aren't I?

[(Anonymous)]

Bye.

[(Anonymous)]

DA
Wow, someone feels ENTITLED to art!

[(Anonymous)]

LOL where did they ever imply that? They're just stating the facts.

If you're creating solely for the purpose of getting attention and social standing, you're doing it for the wrong reason. You should be creating because you enjoy it and you find it fun, and the attention and the social standing should be the icing on the cake, not your main drive.

[(Anonymous)]

No one SHOULD create anything because you said so.

Social standing is as valid reason as any for creating things. Yes, often enough this reason can became toxic for the creator, but not necessarily. Also people can do things for several reasons - because it's fun and because it's nice to be appreciated. And one part can sour the other.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

But no, it's really not. Social standing is in its place as an added benefit. When it's the reason people are doing the thing at all, you predictably get begging and whining and attempts to hold what they COULD be making hostage.

Fandom doesn't need any of that. There's a reason we had words like "flounce" for people who were convinced that they were in a position to punish everyone by depriving us of their presence, when in fact life goes on.

[(Anonymous)]

Someone sound traumatized of “flounces” to the point of thinking that they are entitled to art BUT artists aren’t entitled to recognition.

[(Anonymous)]

Nah.

[(Anonymous)]

I call projection.

[(Anonymous)]

What an asinine response you just made.

[(Anonymous)]

Wanna know what's asinine? Someone randomly calling OP a "flounce" for saying they would like to feel recognized/valued.

[(Anonymous)]

Sure, that can be asinine too. Multiple things can be asinine at once.

[(Anonymous)]

They didn't say anything about the OP there. They just pointed out that the most dramatic example of what happens when people feel entitled to some arbitrary amount of attention is, from the rest of fandom's perspective, completely unremarkable.

[(Anonymous)]

What if it’s the filling instead of the icing? I like the cake and the filling. Sponge cake? Good, but boring. Filling only? Good, but sickeningly sweet.

[(Anonymous)]

Artists (and writers and every creatives) should only want and enjoy ~the holy process~. And then they should kiss the boots of every rando who teaches them the lesson that creatives are too entitled to ask for couple of comments. Or god forbid they ask money if they choose to work in creative field
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[(Anonymous)]

DA

They're entirely free to ask for money. Over there, with all the other people hawking commercial products.

You can drip all the sarcasm you want, but for a lot of us, writing and drawing is inherently enjoyable.

If you think a situation where writing is be paid with commenting would be so ideal, like-minded authors and readers could set up a site just for this, and code it so that people can only click a story title if they've already left a comment on the last one they read. Perhaps the author will even need to agree that it's an acceptable comment, as opposed to a keysmash, to activate further permission. It's the internet. No one's stopping any of you.

But those of us who don't hang our creative pursuits on reader engagement like the arrangement we have.

[(Anonymous)]

What can I say? Good for you.
Genuinely. Absolutely no sarcasm right now. Just please stop speaking for all of us, that's all.

DA

[(Anonymous)]

They're not. They speaking for the general consensus of fandom. We're here to get AWAY from capitalism. Don't bring that shit here. Go make your own place.

Re: DA

[(Anonymous)]

... Honestly, isn't it a bit too late for that, considering fandom is inherently capitalistic (I assume you don't get into the theater for free)?

Re: DA

[(Anonymous)]

Fandom is not inherently capitalistic.

A) I don't actually have to have seen/read the source material to participate in fandom.

B) Most people can get the source material for free either through their library, borrowing from friends, by flying the flag, or many other means.

C) Participating in fandom is free - I don't have to pay fan artists, I don't have to pay fanfic authors, I don't have to pay money to access tumblr, I don't have to pay money to access discord, I don't have to pay money to access AO3. I can have discussions and post art and compilations and meta all for free.

The only barrier to participating in fandom is access to the internet. Unlike the capitalistic hellscape outside my door, I don't have to spend money to send time in fandom.

Re: DA

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT - Okay, I don't disagree. But it's been more capitalistic than ever for sure. Feel free to try to blame some small fish charging for art comissions for that but Netflix said "sharing is caring" only to say "on second thought, no" some years later.

Re: DA

[(Anonymous)]

It HAS been more capitalistic than ever, which is why there's such a pushback against people acting in a capitalistic manner, bemoaning or demanding payment (i.e. engagement) for their fandom contribution, especially on AO3 - an explicitly anti-capitalistic organization.

Re: DA

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT - But here is the thing: that's because you assume everyone who wants recognition is doing it for the "engagement" or finantial return, ie. capitalistic reasons. And my point was exactly that, no, part of the fun in creating art (for me and many others I assume) is to receive feedback from "that's just what I wanted to see!" to realizing others saw things in it you yourself didn't. It IS part of the fun for many I believe. IMO it's just natural to want recognition for your creations as an artist - to feel valued in your work whatever your work is too, not just "artists".

The way some people now assume this means "wanting to be finantially retributed" says a lot more about the state of the world and capitalism than the intentions of whoever wants to feel recognized and may not be guilty about this state of the world in the slightest and just wants to feel that basic human level of acknowledgement.

Re: DA

[(Anonymous)]

No? I mean, yeah, it's part of the whole "fandom" thing that you're taking part in a community and a conversation. And I've yet to see ANY fanwork on AO3 that doesn't have some recognition and engagement.

The issue is that getting recognition or engagement from people who WANT to have that conversation with you isn't enough for the people we're talking about. They want MORE and they think they deserve it because they "worked" (no longer a hobby, then) and often times it can only be a certain type of conversation (how awesome they are). The OP said it themselves, the "artists feel exploited". How do you feel exploited voluntarily doing a hobby unless you feel like you are owed something for doing it that you're not getting?