[ SECRET POST #6011 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #6011 ⌋

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Comments

[fscom]

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[(Anonymous)]

IDK. Maybe not some of the fan writers, but I have to think most of the pro writers doing this stuff have looked at the original sources to some degree. There are a lot of people out there who like reading mythology!

OP

[(Anonymous)]

okay well if they did it's not evident from their writing

[(Anonymous)]

Myths are collective stories that are constantly changing. There's no point in considering written versions (e.g., Ovid) more authoritative than anything else. Complaining that someone wrote a story about mythological characters without reading the written sources is like complaining that someone wrote a story based on content from Twitter without reading a couple of books about Twitter published in 2009.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, right. Ever heard of classical studies?

[(Anonymous)]

I mean.... no.

There's no one authoritative source for any myth, but there is a corpus of older sources which is more important, more meaningful and more definitive for that mythos than modern reinterpretations are.

*Especially* for something like Greek myths where a vast chasm in time separates us from the cultural horizon in which the myths originally arose.

[(Anonymous)]

This.

[(Anonymous)]

More like writing a story based on Twitter content they only heard thirdhand through half a Tiktok reposted with new audio on Instagram.

[(Anonymous)]

Meh.

So... one definition of 'genre' is, 'a group of works in dialogue with each other'.

If the person writing new 'Classical Myth' genre isn't even passingly aware of what has gone before, then I can't really say they're in a dialogue - just putting on ear-muffs and bawling over everyone else in the conversation. Sure you can have fun with that I guess? But you're not having a dialogue.

OP

[(Anonymous)]

i said "progressive" for a reason. i'm not talking about people who just want to riff on the myths, i'm talking about the people who think that their stories are restoring female autonomy or something, like they've never read a greek tragedy before and can't understand the context of the summaries they've encountered.

[feotakahari]

Amethyst Marie has clearly read some myths. Almost every god does something shitty at one point, and it all ties back to what they’ve learned from Zeus and the twisted rules he enforces. They aren’t really evil except for Zeus himself. They’re just flawed.

[(Anonymous)]

In the context of the myths, Zeus isn't evil either, for fuck's sake.

[feotakahari]

I don’t think keeping the same personalities requires keeping the same judgement. Sure, Zeus isn’t evil if you take the position that he has the right to do whatever his power allows him to do. But if you realistically portray the consequences of the things he does in myths, then a modern viewpoint can’t frame that as anything but evil. Marie goes to great lengths to explore how much damage Zeus does to the entire pantheon.

[(Anonymous)]

And if you realistically portray the morals of the society and religion that created the myths in the first place, especially when it comes to things like hubris and what they considered basic respect towards guests, enemies, neighbors, what-have-you, then Zeus is no more evil than any other Olympian. The "modern viewpoint" is just that, a modern viewpoint. It's like the Greek equivalent of "did you know Old Testament God was mean?"

[feotakahari]

Marie’s central insight is that gods can have hubris, and the Fates can punish it the same way they punish mortals. For that matter, it looks like the series is moving in the direction that the Fates have hubris.

[(Anonymous)]

Zeus isn’t evil tho. He’s literally the main god of justice and hospitality. His actions towards others are an example of myths written by man just as the Bible is an example of accounts written by man and hyped up by its thumpers.

OP

[(Anonymous)]

is Amethyst Marie trying to pretend she's revealing a perspective the greeks or romans cruelly oppressed or is she just having a bit of fun? if it's the latter, im not talking about her.

Almost every god does something shitty at one point, and it all ties back to what they’ve learned from Zeus and the twisted rules he enforces.
if you're getting this from modern authors, this is what i mean. no one who has read any greek mythic writing thinks zeus is handing down shit or is even really enforcing shit. the most "i'm in charge" he gets is the iliad. stop pretending that a fertility god promoted to prominence after the end of cretan dominance is a really doing the paterfamilias thing. cosmic archetypes are beyond good and evil for obvious reasons.

[(Anonymous)]

Madeline Miller? "Patroclus was a gentle, flustered soul who was deeply in touch with his feminine side and harbored a lifelong foot fetish" Madeline Miller?

OP

[(Anonymous)]

look she's got the degree ok. she's at least read and interpreted the myths through available scholarship

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT

??????? So, one just needs to HAVE the degree, and then they can do whatever and you'll defend THAT?

OP

[(Anonymous)]

a classics degree involves reading the myths, translating them in fact, so considering what i said in my secret? yes.

OP

[(Anonymous)]

thank you for making my secret!