[ SECRET POST #6020 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #6020 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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08. [WARNING for discussion of sexual misconduct allegations]




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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Treating women's abuse as some gotcha moment is certainly something

DA

[(Anonymous)]

Hardly a gotcha, more a "glad my intuition is in the right place" and agreed

Re: DA

[(Anonymous)]

"Intuition." Uh huh.

Using some scandal or crime to try to retroactively justify your distatse for a piece of art never makes you look cool or intelligent.

Re: DA

[(Anonymous)]

Honestly, hardly took a genius mind to feel something was off with that mysogynistic PoS

Re: DA

[(Anonymous)]

Comment op - +1
Transgressive art has a right to exist

Re: DA

[(Anonymous)]

Transgressive art has a right to exist

How is that relevant?

Re: DA

[(Anonymous)]

Sa-- read the comment I was replying to.

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[(Anonymous)]

I'm not sure how much you know about Lindemann but he wrote several published "poems" that were basically just deeply misogynistic rape fantasies. And while this was in line with the whole shtick the band always had going on with their super cheap "be shocking for shock and outrage's sake", the poetry was extra skeevy. And he was criticized for it only for all criticism to be shouted down because it was just ~☆art☆~.
Only to learn that huh, maybe not so much.

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[(Anonymous)]

I'll still defend his right to write that poetry even if you consider it tasteless

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[(Anonymous)]

I am absolutely in favour of people being allowed to write what they want because I know that fiction=/=reality.
However, it's pretty likely that in this rare case fiction=reality and people not being particularly shocked about thow the guy writing detailed rape fantasy poems is an actual abuser is also not exactly surprising.

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[(Anonymous)]

Yeah. It reminds me of when people are told someone did something bad, and their immediate reaction is belief and "see, I knew it, I never liked them" ... regardless of whether that was true or not, and often without their having given any hint of holding that opinion, before.

Maybe that's not what's going on with the OP and this particular singer, but it's still my main association with the behavior.

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[(Anonymous)]

My issue with him was that he kept getting away with utterly vile misogynistic shit under the guise of "transgressive art".

Re: DA

[(Anonymous)]

I don't have an opinion on this, not having seen his poetry. But I'll certainly keep it in mind going forward.

[(Anonymous)]

Ignoring and celebrating misogyny in favour of some dude's ~artistic expression~ is worse imo.

[(Anonymous)]

I was more uncomfortable with the way he pretended to bully his keyboardist onstage and the unnecessary bodymod on Till's mouth.

[(Anonymous)]

Everyone's artistic expression should be protected even if it makes you uncomfortable. You can find it tacky and vile and just avoid it all you want.

[(Anonymous)]

Sure. You can write what you want. And in most cases, what people write and what people do irl does not have a correlation.
But don't be offended when the dude writing about raping women rapes women and someone says "yep, checks out".

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT OK I understand that. Thanks for the clarification that you're not somebody who thinks touching on dark subject matters is automatically suspect. A lot of the "saw this coming" type of comments that I have read and heard around the Lindemann allegations end up going back to this, (or into "he is publically into bdsm so of course he's a sicko") and it is exhausting.