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It really just, to me, exposes how much of trans people are still considered just faking it to most people. "It's really just people wanting to disguise their het" is all over this thread, and like. Sorry, but het shit and trans shit aren't gonna be written very differently because there's only so many ways to write fucking. It basically makes me wish I'd never come out as a trans man at this point because we're treated like such shit. "It's got a vagina, therefore it's actually het" is disgusting and frankly speaks a lot as to how people view sex and gender as intertwined to all degrees and unable to be unlinked.

People don't really LOOK for trans fic. If they do, half the time it's to tell me to kill myself. Trans fic is even less liked or looked for than f/f.

At this point, I just wish these assholes would admit they're transphobic with that reasoning than pretending they care.

I sympathize with that a lot. It can be really isolating in fandom. People in this thread have been saying very insensitive stuff. There will always be assholes and people who just don't get it, but there will always be people who do get it or are willing to learn, too. And hey, I look for trans fanfic! I find trans headcanons really interesting to think about and sometimes they've given me a better appreciation of the canon version of the character. I think it may depend on your fandom as well, some of my fandoms have had tons of popular trans fic, some very little to be found. And your social group makes a difference, when it comes to a bigger fandom.

Smut fanfic can be a very shallow place because people are looking for very specific things (for better and worse), so sometimes it helps me to take a step back and spend time in other areas of fandom or non fandom social spaces. Somewhere more chill, maybe just chatting with fandom friends or working on our fics together. As you said yourself, sometimes trans fic and het fic will have similarities, which isn't what certain readers want to read. That doesn't make the fic bad, real life trans/cis relationships straight, your personal take on gay trans erotica wrong to write the way you like to write it. My fic tends to be for small fandoms and rarepairs, and focused on my own specific interests (including trans headcanons), so I sometimes don't get much engagement on my stuff. I'd rather write what I like for the small audience who likes it than write to please a bigger crowd, and I'd rather be myself than pretend to be someone else to be more accepted, even though yeah, it is super shitty sometimes.

I just don't think dropping the tags solves the problem for me, it may get a bit more engagement but also would lose engagement from the people who *are* searching for it, and I don't want to deal with the understandable frustration from people who expected something else.

Unfortunately, I live in a very Christo-fascist city. :\ So I live in a fairly isolated state all the time, and then combine that with smaller fandoms... When half your engagement is just being told to percentage yourself, it gets disheartening.

That sucks nonny, I can see how that would make the fandom situation even more disheartening. I hope you're able to find some chiller fandom spaces to hang out in. IRL bigotry definitely makes me less patient in dealing with online stuff sometimes.

The sex setup PIV registers as a het one, no matter how much you want to pretend otherwise. And trans fic being less liked than f/f is just plain bullshit, otherwise fandom wouldn't be chock full of it.
Some people don't want to read about cunt in their smut. Deal with it.

DA

The sex setup PIV registers as a het one, no matter how much you want to pretend otherwise.

It really doesn’t. Not when the one with the vagina is specified to be trans. You’re projecting how you think and what you assume onto everyone else, but not everyone has transphobic preconceptions and thinks sex between a cis man and a trans man is het just because the trans man has a vagina. Because he’s still a man, no matter what he has down there.

Actually, you're projecting your opinioin just as much.

Projecting the opinion... that trans men are men? Congratulations on finally going full mask-off.

Projecting your opinion that everyone will see a PIV scene including a trans person as not heteronormative.

da

I 100% see an IRL couple in that situation as gay, and see m/m ships with a trans character as gay, cause yeah, it's two guys. Anyone who doesn't feel the same can fuck right off. At the same time though, PIV has heavy social connotations around heterosexuality and carries a lot of baggage. For trans people too, not just for transphobes. When it comes to a made up sexual fantasy, I don't see it as transphobic when readers don't want to imagine PIV.

This!

Now you're basically back to assuming the motives of fanfic writers and what they end up writing are completely different from anything that happens with IRL cis and trans gay couples. You're not going to know what sex is like for most of those couples because most people don't tell everyone the details of how they have sex. You just assume that their IRL sex is completely different from what fic writers write... and somehow you know this.

Well if we're honest, sex in fanfic usually isn't anything like sex IRL no matter who the characters are. And if someone does have trouble ever seeing PIV sex as not het, that's also honestly fair. But if you truly accept that trans men are men and don't want to be transphobic, that's the kind of thought you keep to yourself (and there's no judgment for that. Thoughtcrimes aren't real) including when it comes to fanfic. Including when it comes to thinking you know the people writing the fic are really trying to write het. All you need to do is ask people to tag their fic for non-canon trans characters, and not read that fic. None of that is transphobic. "Calling out" writers for writing stealth het by means of trans headcanons is. Even if that really is why they're doing it (spoiler: it's not.) You don't know. The only one who knows would be the writer, and as stated before, thoughtcrimes aren't real. Calling out writers for their alleged motives harms trans people more than the possibility that perhaps some of them are viewing what they write as het. If you're really concerned about the trans people reading the fic being triggered by dysphoria, again, that's what proper tags are for. So just focus on telling people to tag their fic and leave it.

ayrt

Sure, I can see what you're saying, but idk why you're replying it to me like I'm in here arguing against it? The first paragraph doesn't even make sense, you don't know anything about who I am IRL or what kind of relationships I have, and it sounds like you've misinterpreted my meaning.

What I meant to say was that some people do have that type of association with PIV, which you seem to agree with too. I don't have any assumptions about fic writers' motivations, people write all kinds of stuff for all kinds of reasons. I wasn't one of the people
calling trans/cis slash het in this thread, thanks. The farthest I'll ever go in that direction is to say that some sex acts and kinks are associated with hetero sex in a wider social context, which I do feel it is possible to acknowledge without insulting trans sexuality. I don't personally have a problem with people discussing their feelings around this in a respectful manner, though I agree with you that there are a lot of disrespectful comments in this particular discussion. Apologies if my comment came across as disrespectful as well.

"All you need to do is ask people to tag their fic" this! Yeah, I always appreciate tags on smut fics.

Fandom has scads more cis f/f than fic with trans characters wdym

You just pretend not to see it because you f/f enjoyers love your victim complex too much

I'm really sorry about all the shit you're seeing in this thread, anon. Saying "It's just like het" is a time-honored way for fans to dress up their reasons for not liking any type of queer fic as being very smart and important. They've said it about m/m with two cis guys for forever. But it doesn't mean anything. Anything can be "like het" if you want to see it that way, and these types do. (I read both het fic and het romance novels as well as all kinds of queer stuff, and let me tell you, the favorite target for being "like het," the classic seme/uke dynamic, is nothing like a het romance novel. Typical romance novel heroines' personalities are more like the "seme" than the "uke" if anything.) Despite claiming it's not just the PIV that makes it like het, I doubt they could really give a concrete explanation about what does make trans m/m fic like het.

They should take the advice they give all the m/m shippers they assume are straight white girls, and just admit they don't like to read about vaginas. It's okay to just not like to read about vaginas! They don't have to pretend there's a deep reason for it!

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