[ SECRET POST #6041 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #6041 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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[The Adventures of Jonny Quest]



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08. [SPOILERS for Angels of Death]




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09. [WARNING for discussion of underage/grooming]

[Becoming Elizabeth]




























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Comments

[fscom]

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[feotakahari]

A lot of writers think romance needs to keep moving and changing, and the only way they can come up with to change is to backslide. I think romance can be stable in the background when the actual focus is fighting aliens or whatever.

[tabaqui]

Yes! For instance - Peter & Elizabeth Burke in White Collar.

[(Anonymous)]

Yesss, they are who I think of any time I see a secret like this.

[anoldsmudge]

Yes, I think this is it. Many writers I feel misunderstand the idea that "stories need conflict to be interesting/compelling," taking it to mean that not only must there be conflict in the overall narrative, but that there must also be conflict between all parties present in the narrative. It does not occur to them that it is possible to have two characters who get along perfectly well with each other, but who are in conflict with other characters, or with some sort of external force/threat.

I don't recall this being as much of an issue before the aughts.

[(Anonymous)]

There's a huge doouble-standard here, though, because a lot of romances where the couple are antagonizing each other are basically static. What you see the first time they talk to each other is what you see every time thereafter. The specific thing they're sniping about or blaming their partner for varies, but the dynamic doesn't change at all.

And, despite that, the relationships that writers worry have "no development" and feel like they have to mess with are the ones where the characters seem happy together.

I have to wonder how many of these content creators were abused in that particular, chronic way that makes non-conflict just feel like the calm between storms.

[(Anonymous)]

Honestly I think this is an issue when a TV show that doesn't center or need a romance adds one. Shows that are built with romances being integral to them do things just fine imo, but when a crime drama or legal drama(or other mainly GEN shows) shove in a random romance because 'that's just how it works' then they are often phoned-in and badly written because they weren't integrated into the basic concept of the show.

Some shows that don't intend to have romances can be great however because it is first and foremost a writer issue and shows with romances intended can bungle them, but in my experience the ones created to feature romances work better than the ones that don't 80% of the time. And of course this differs depending on country as I have a much easier time with Korean romances than western ones because it won't get drawn out for 4 seasons so they don't need to keep adding ~drama to make it 'interesting'.

There are exceptions ofc because I have absolutely watched a K-drama and wondered why the fuck a romance was added at all because it was not needed.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, I agree. I think it's a writing issue, where people feel like a show NEEDS a romance, and if it's a long running show they drag it out as long as possible until it becomes (at least for me) really tiresome and boring to watch. If the couple gets together but if the show's not over, uh oh, needs more conflict! Then you get setbacks, dumb misunderstandings, tragedy after tragedy, etc. Ugh.

[(Anonymous)]

tbh even writing conflicted couples is fine

you just have to be good at it

[(Anonymous)]

The very structure that involves conflict bothers me but maybe it's because I am such an internally-conflicted person that a story with relatable characters for me WILL have some degree of conflict, even if fully internal

[(Anonymous)]

Oh yeah, this is so true. Healthy relationships in general feel fresh and interesting to me. I am mildly addicted to the cozy British series *Shakespeare and Hathaway: Private Investigators* and I recently realized a big part of my affection for the show is, the three main characters get along well, tease gently, and are mostly kind to each other. If I could get *that* in a TV romantic relationship I would watch it forever.

[meadowphoenix]

to me, everything relationship-wise is character and theme, and if you can write characters consistently and themes clearly, then I don't mind romantic conflict because it will come out of their characters and the ~point~, and resolving it will too.

[emmzzi]

I think Parks and Recreation nailed with with Ben/Lesley. It's so rare to see it though.

[(Anonymous)]

I totally agree with you, anon.