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Seriously? He went off in poor weather without an epirb, it is more amazing they found his remains at all. Darwin Award worthy behavior.

epirb?

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Emergency Position Indicating Radio Beacon.

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A lot of victim blaming in this comments section. The poor guy's dead. Whatever mistakes he made, he paid for it with his life. From what I gather, he did have experience as a hiker. This isn't a "Darwin Award" winner.

It didn't seem weird to me. People die or go missing in those mountains all the time, especially when they're hiking alone, even experienced hikers. Finding the bodies is something of a crapshoot, just because there is so much rough terrain to look for them in. Julian Sands was fairly well known, so it became national news this time. I'm glad his body was found for the sake of his family and friends.

Yeah, as someone who grew up in an area like that, I see absolutely nothing weird about it. There are huge swaths of wilderness that are not at all well-traveled or monitored and hikers go missing in those areas all the time because they're dumb as shit and go off on their own without telling anyone where they're going.

Famous people don't look like famous people when you see them out hiking or grocery shopping or whatever. They're also just as likely to go missing when they're solo hiking in that type of terrain as anyone else.

I consume a lot of TV/movie content, and I don't know who he is. I've seen the headlines, and I'm sure I read a list of credits at some point, but I still can't tell you how he's famous.

Man, you are missing out if you've never seen Warlock. He's been in a lot of stuff, but that's one that sticks in my head.

He was very well-known in the 1980s and 1990s.
Did they release a cause of death yet?

Unable to determine COD due to state of remains, suspected to be exposure to the elements though.

I know it happens, but it is always weird to me when hikers get lost in the woods and extra weird when they are never found or die. Outdoor safety was taught as common sense where I grew up so it's just one of those things I take for granted. I met someone on the AT once that had so little knowledge of basic outdoors stuff I was baffled on why they were even there. Like this dude didn't even know how to start a fire. Who goes out long distance hiking/backpacking with so little survival skills? People are baffling.

Meanwhile, I've lived near several hiking areas where hikers get lost and die multiple times a year. It's mostly not "no knowledge of basic outdoors stuff" and more "just enough knowledge of basic outdoors stuff to get yourself in trouble." The ones that don't get found for months are usually intermediate hikers. Newbies and veterans usually tell people where they're going, so it's easier to find them when they don't come back. But even a veteran hiker can get unlucky, especially when the weather has gotten as unpredictable as it's been lately.

Outdoor safety was taught as common sense where I grew up so it's just one of those things I take for granted.

You would think, but a lot of people are so stupid I genuinely wonder how they survive day-to-day. I have been on multi-day hiking and camping trips and likewise, I had basic outdoor safety drilled into my head before I ever even attempted that. The number one rule is that you never, EVER go anywhere alone, or at the very least without giving someone else a map of the route you plan to take so that potential rescuers have a general region to focus a search in.

If I never hiked or backpacked or camped alone I'd never get put to the woods lol But seriously, I always tell my family my path, destination, and dates. And I do crazy amounts of research if I'm going somewhere new to me.

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I saw a story on the news recently about a 71 year old man who died while hiking last month.

In Death Valley.

When the temperature was into the upper 120s/low 130s.

Like...dude...

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Sands was English too, so outdoor survival skills is likely not something he ever grew up with. Most of England is basically a city park in terms of wilderness. There is nothing dangerous in terms of landscape, climate, or wildlife. He probably had that everything will okay mindset.

The New Forest could maybe get someone if they’re unlucky, but for the most part our woods are fairly harmless and it’s difficult to get truly lost in them. I think up in the Highlands in Scotland is the best equivalent to some of the US forests and even then they’re not as large, but the terrain can get difficult and I can imagine someone could get lost to the point of not coming back alive.

But yeah he likely underestimated how dangerous big US forests can be. I certainly have a hard time conceptualising the scale of them as I’ve never visited somewhere with a large forest nearby, not that I’d blindly walk off without telling someone, but I know I don’t truly understand the dangers of them.

He lived nearby and had been hiking that area for decades, though. And he was a VERY experienced hiker who had hiked all over the world.

As someone upthread mentioned, he should have had a personal locator beacon. You can get a good one for like $500 which wouldn’t have been as much money to him as it is to me.

It’s also questionable if he should have set out that day. No one seems to be in agreement if the worsening conditions up there were known yet or not. But they had avalanches which is most likely why he got lost and stranded. And it’s also why search efforts weren’t as intense or sustained as usual.

Just because you grew up somewhere relatively safe doesn't mean you can't acquire the survival skills necessary to be a good hiker.

Outdoor safety was taught as common sense where I grew up too, but sometimes people aren't trained in it and sometimes they're not as good as they thing and sometimes shit happens because you're in a wilderness. Not a comment on this specific case, but I knew two experienced hikers who were killed in a landslide (three others survived, though one lost a leg below the knee) and no amount of planning and knowledge could have prevented that. Or the guy who was walking along a well-known and easy trail and a tree fell on him.

I went to a very well-regarded school, and every year we took a camping trip in the mountains a few hours away. We were kids and not allowed to go anywhere off the camp grounds without adults, but we never had outdoor safety training. We just did what we were told when we went on hikes. I never got this kind of training any other time either. Maybe it just slipped my mind, but in that case it means we got no warnings about doing things that could potentially kill us or else that would have stuck with me. Let's just say I probably came close to death by ignorance a few times growing up. It's really not universally taught and not innate common sense.

Has his death been made into a Missing 411 video yet?

I mean, it made the news around the world. How much bigger did you want the headlines to be?

In terms of weirdness of his disappearance and discovery of his remains months later, I think I get why it feels weird.

Someone famous being alone and gone for a long period, it immediately doesn't register. We're used to the thought of being famous means everyone knows you and you always have someone with you or having a means of being noticed at all times.

I think the reminder that nature is unpredictable and death can often be the loneliest event in one's life is harder to imagine when it's tied to someone famous due to the thought of famous = everyone knows/sees you.

For me, personally, this story just makes me feel sad that he went missing for months and then his remains being discovered being the confirmation that he has been found but no longer alive.
Accidental deaths are just tragic imo =(
I tend to focus on the life lost rather than their actions that led them there.

I feel like after hearing so many stories about close calls or tragic accidents (have heard a lot from family and peers due to living in a mountainous region of the US), the only real wonder was that his body was found at all.

We may never know what happened or how he died, but I believe mother nature is too wild and unpredictable and unknown for any of us to look down on people who die accidentally in nature.

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