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⌈ Secret Post #6107 ⌋

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Name the fandom. And repeats, etc.

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[(Anonymous)]

Then you need to make that clear in an author's note.

[(Anonymous)]

It's very easy to have a 0% shipbaited score: simply withhold predictions and always be skeptical that anything will be canon. Done, 100% never baited, pat yourself on the back.

This would be more impressive if you can list and somehow prove 1) non-explicit queer ships in 2) non-explicitly queer media that 3) you DID predict would happen that happened, but you can't exactly do that anon.

As-is this secret says nothing much besides that OP seems to think that queerbaiting means "will they or won't they, now with 100% more gays!" and doesn't realize they aren't the same thing.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah this is me at the moment with my current fandom. It was pretty active to start with, but a year later it has died down with me and two other people writing the fanfics (which is annoying to see people go 'omg yay new content for this fandom' - which on one hand yay comments - but on the other hand it sucks to be content providers instead of just enjoying fandom)

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A+ reading comprehension. You thought Johnlock was going to be a thing for real, didn't you?

[(Anonymous)]

Not OP but that doesn't work, either. I always do that and people just don't. Even in a community where they had specific tags for "really truly honestly wants crit, be harsh if you want"

It boils down to the fact that reading a fic is fun, hitting a kudos button oh going "I like ur fic" is easy, but giving thoughtful constructive feedback is actual work

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, a lot of people make it clear that they EXPECT comments on their fic even if it's just a "Loved it!!" and sometimes that's all someone really has to say. The mixed messages about generalized "commenting etiquette" without each writer saying what they specifically want is what makes people reluctant to comment for fear of doing the opposite of what the specific writer wants. And then people get mad about not enough readers leaving comments. Well, that's why!!

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No, they just seem aware that queerbaiting is not about ships? Plenty of it is "is this character queer representation or not" even if ships aren't in the picture and writers being like weeeell maaaaaybe who knows???

[(Anonymous)]

I feel this. I always use to wonder if I was immune to getting desperate for shows/media to make a queer couple canon because of entering fandom in the early 2000s where unless it was specifically a show catering to queer people then it was just unlikely to happen for the most part. This just meant that you could hit fuck-it and ship away without having to care about the source material, because if its never gonna offically be cannon then you'd still have fanfics lol.

I saw someone on Tumblr blame the show Glee for starting the trend on hearing about certain fandom ships and made some of them canon; giving an era of fans the idea that if they can be annoying enough on social media like twitter - then they'll get their way eventually.
I'm inclined to believe that tbh.

[(Anonymous)]

Mm, I feel you. Whether or not I LIKE it, I can tell when ships are being set up purposefully. Sometimes creators are throwing possibilities out there, sometimes I can tell they're committed to a specific endgame.

And that's a COMPLETELY different thing from whether two actors have chemistry! Sometimes the showrunner is pushing a couple where the actors don't particularly have chemistry, meanwhile one of them will have OFF THE WALL chemistry with someone else in the cast, and OFTEN that will lead to shippers in the writers' room who will put in more moments between those characters because they want to see them play off each other, even knowing they will never become a couple.

And both those things are completely different from the issue of what characters would have the 'best' relationship by whatever metric a group of shippers might choose! Maybe there's a canon relationship A/B where the characters don't have a mutual respect and things are really emotionally uneven, and there are fans who would love to see A with their friend C who talks them up or provides the emotional support they lack. Sometimes there's a canon relationship X/Y where the characters are nothing but a source of love and respect and support for each other... and fans want to see Y with their nemesis Z, with whom they have a fascinating and charged dynamic and more potential for drama.


To me, I think it's a problem that so many modern fans place such a high priority on a ship going canon, and make it a problem when it's not, or complain that they've somehow been played or lied to. There are a lot of factors that go into shippability, for canon and non-canon pairings alike. But a lot of people run with the word 'queerbaiting' when it's NOT really accurate-- not all of those ships are intentionally teased in the marketing just because the actors have chemistry or someone in the writer's room prefers them to the endgame ship! And when it's the case of an actor or writer who does not get to make the decision as to what is and isn't canon, but who genuinely loves the non-canon ship... like, babes, that's not malicious, that's them agreeing with us and wanting to give us something nice, and it's up to us how we play with it once we get it!

[(Anonymous)]

When has this happened? Because I can think of many more instances of a fandom going ‘this is totally meant to be canon/this character is meant to be queer’ only for the creators to explicitly state this isn’t the case and never will be, but the fandom ignores it and carries on deluding themselves, only to get act betrayed when it doesn’t happen just like the creators said it wouldn’t.

[(Anonymous)]

Agreed. And be more detailed about it like "Please rip me to shreads if needed, I want to improve and change for the better" or something like that.

[(Anonymous)]

That would not be an example of queerbaiting, then?

Queerbaiting by definition is when the creators actively bait or hedge, not when they outright state it isn't true