[ SECRET POST #6134 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #6134 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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[Mortal Kombat 1]



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[FFXIV]



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[The Vampire Dies in No Time]
























Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 02 pages, 35 secrets from Secret Submission Post #877.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[fscom]

02. https://i.imgur.com/GTMjGYX.png

[feotakahari]

You know who’s always missing from this argument? The people who make the actual games and decide what audience they’re gonna sell to. If they decide they like the new guy’s money better than yours, then you stop giving them money and buy from people who still make what you want. Trying to drive off the new guy so the devs can only get your money is a pointless exercise in brand loyalty. (This is something horror game fans already figured out, when horror franchises that get big so often turn into action-adventure with horror trappings.)

[(Anonymous)]

I don't see what this has to do with the secret?

[feotakahari]

Let’s be real, “these new people want to change everything” usually means “these new people think the old stuff was sexist.” For tabletop games, this manifests in direct harassment of women. For Japanese video games, the standard approach is to find a woman and accuse her of translating the game wrong to support the SJW agenda, regardless of whether she had anything to do with the translation.

The way I see it, you don’t need to “protect” these corporations. They decide which kinds of games will make them the most money, and if you don’t like what they pick, the best you can do is stop paying them.

[(Anonymous)]

I think some of us are reading the secret in a fundamentally different way from each other-- I read this as 'new fans coming into an established fandom' rather than a 'company/creator interacting with a fandom'-- if that's also what the above person was reading, I can see why they were confused by your response, but your follow up does clear up for me where you're coming from!

[feotakahari]

What I’m trying to say is that there’s often a conspiratorial view in which women or gay people are manipulating the corporation like a puppet on strings, and they need to be driven out in order to free the corporation to make the old stuff again. Women and gay people are assumed to be new by people who didn’t notice them before.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think that's necessarily what it's about. It's often the case in long-running fandoms that new fans will have theories or headcanons that run contrary to the established "view," so to speak, which can lead to clashes between newer and older fans. Sometimes, this takes the form of older fans being assholes to newer fans; sometimes, it happens the other way around.

On Tumblr in particular, it's not unusual for newer, younger fans to feel that online fandom is their space, and that older fans are not only wrong, but that they've also "aged out" of fandom, have become creepy, and need to leave.

I could see OP referencing that phenomenon rather than, say, the modern updates to DnD.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, that was my assumption-- like, there's a HUGE shift in how young fans treat coming into fandom and the views that they have towards adults

[(Anonymous)]

Same, I read this secret as referencing the drama that comes up in some fandoms between younger fans (generally teens and 20s, depends on fandom what the usual ages of the fans are) and older fans who have been in the fandom longer. Such as disagreement with previously popular fanon, new fandom OTPs, anti-ship drama, and that sort of thing. This is a very general take, I don't intend for it to apply to every person and situation of course. But it is a common dynamic in a number of fandoms, and that's where my mind went first when I read the secret.

[(Anonymous)]

I think it is much more common for pre-existing fans to *think* that new fans are going out of their way to antagonize them, than it is for new fans to actually only be in it to antagonize older fans

Sometimes new fans like different stuff and that's OK and it's not a plot to piss off people

[(Anonymous)]

Found the new fan who is unhappy they just got called.

[(Anonymous)]

But, no.

[feotakahari]

When you build your identity around hatred of the new fans, you end up being No Mutants Allowed. You do not want to be No Mutants Allowed.

[(Anonymous)]

Mutants should stay in the sewer, except the sexy one-eyed ones.

[(Anonymous)]

I think it depends on the fandom a lot, too-- there are old fandoms where new people come in with new takes or a different focus, and old fans can get up in arms even when those new fans aren't being hostile. Back in the day, there were a LOT of fandoms that were hostile to new fans if they weren't exactly like the old fans, and I'm sure that's still true today.

But, I've also seen people come in who are new to fandom in general and don't know the etiquette, and they might not be going out of their way to antagonize the old fans initially, but it can easily go that way. It's not necessarily malice when it happens, it can be one person saying 'hey, this (specific) is how we do things in order to keep the peace' and the other person hearing 'if you don't do things the way they've always been done (general) we'll have a problem'.

At this point I've been on both sides and I don't think either side is always to blame in these clashes. But I think a lot of the time, it starts with an honest mistake, whichever side it starts on.

[(Anonymous)]

It is not so much even that the new fans don't know the etiquette, it is that they often get weirdly hostile if they are even informed of the etiquette and get angry about being asked to even try to fit in.

[(Anonymous)]

This. I've seen new fans get really bitchy about, for example, being asked to tag/put content of certain ships under a cut (in cases where the ship is like, incest or a major age gap or something that could genuinely make people uncomfortable to see on their dash) when that has always just been the understood etiquette in the fandom.

[(Anonymous)]

I mean, in any group of people, you're going to have your share of dickheads and you're going to have your share of people who don't get social cues. That's just people.

But on the whole, my experience in fandoms where I see this stuff is that the new fans are mostly trying to have fun and enjoy the canon. And this is stuff I've been into for 20, 25 years.

[(Anonymous)]

Could be neither.

In one of my main fandoms, for instance, there's a section of toxic fans that are relegated to just Xhitter. We run them out of anywhere else they try to go. One of their signature tells is blaming everything on the production company, which is an indie startup.

We recently just had someone show up, comparing the indie production company unfavorably to an established conglomerate production company, and they were very pissed when they got pushback on that and they said that we were a completely toxic fandom to newcomers.

They, naturally, completely ignored the two posts that literally were just in front of theirs asking the usual questions a newcomer would have: "Where can I find x?" and "Am I the only one who missed this? I'm so confused, what does this mean?" neither of which had anyone being an asshole and people went out of their way to welcome them and answer their questions.

Do I think that the new person went out of their way to antagonize us? No.
Do I think that the new person should have lurked a bit and gotten to know the fandom? Absolutely.

If you don't do some reading and get the lay of the land first, you're going to step on some landmines and really, you only have yourself to blame.

[(Anonymous)]

OP, I think people are interpreting this secret different ways. Is there a specific area of fandom you find this antagonism from the newer fans? Is it more with the creators or the fans themselves?

[(Anonymous)]

I think I dumbed myself down reading the comments in this thread.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think that was really possible for you to do.

[(Anonymous)]

What makes you say that?

[(Anonymous)]

Cool.

[feotakahari]

Honestly, I overassumed.