[ SECRET POST #6154 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #6154 ⌋

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[Aziraphale from Good Omens]



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[fscom]

06. https://i.imgur.com/GQN74sm.png
[Aziraphale from Good Omens]

[(Anonymous)]

I realize we gotta wait for S3, but from the whole arc of the first two seasons it does seem like him learning that is the point.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah thats what I was thinking too.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't care about the fictional misdeeds of fictional cops quite honestly, any more than I object to fantasy nobles in fantasy stories about fantasy kingdoms.

(Obviously, to the extent that those stories are meant to convey messages or impart attitudes in the real world, that's its own concern. But on their own, in their fictional stories? Couldn't care less)

[(Anonymous)]

I could be wrong, but isn't that kind of the whole point?

Like, this is right up there with the "I can FIX HIM" narrative in its blatantness.

[(Anonymous)]

ACAB is such a privileged position.

[(Anonymous)]

Care to elaborate on that at all?

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

It's typically held by people who haven't experienced what it's like to live in a place that has a poor police presence. People in those places typically want police reform: they want more and better police, not to get rid of them altogether.

Interestingly, when ACAB people do get to experience it, they reverse course. I saw it in the town next to mine: they voted to defund; the police no longer had the budget to sustain round-the-clock coverage; people didn't like that, if they called 911, it was even odds on whether someone would respond; and they wound up voting to reinstate the previous police budget.

[(Anonymous)]

Thank you!
Also, it annoys me when people are "all cops are bad" rather than some are good some are terrible and it's the system that needs an overhaul.
Also, this secret should see secret 8 :)

[(Anonymous)]

I mean, I live in one of those places. I still don't want the cop we used to have who would offer young female drivers the chance to avoid a fine. Or the cop who got moved on after being caught on camera boasting about how many [racial slur]s he took down this week and how we should kill them all with a bulldozer. I want basic, competent policing.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

"I want basic, competent policing."

Yes. That's what I'm talking about when I mention reform and better police.

[(Anonymous)]

That isn't what acab means....

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

Well, the people in my life who use it could've fooled me, since they all talk about abolishing the police.

[meadowphoenix]

i see you've never lived in a redlined us city in your life. round the clock coverage! lmao lmao lmao

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make.

[(Anonymous)]

ACAB doesn't mean "get rid of all police". It means that the system is inherently unjust, most crimes can be prevented with better public services from public servants who aren't armed, a lot of crimes have no victims and are used as an excuse to target minorities, the current police training is woefully lacking and attracts people who want to be bullies, police are over-militarized and encouraged to use violence as a first resort, the system fosters a culture of irresponsibility and worship of authority, and anyone who actually tries to perform a policing service for the community is fired, run out, or killed by intentional neglect. But that's too long to work into a chant and doesn't fit on a protest sign, so they shorten it to ACAB because the only cops left after the good ones are run out, fired, or killed with intentional neglect are bastards who uphold the system.

Slogans need to be short.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

When everyone around you follows up ACAB with "abolish the police," you start to suspect that they want to abolish the police.

da

[(Anonymous)]

Maybe you should learn to research things and form your own opinions instead of just taking what everyone around you says as fact.

Re: da

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

My opinion was formed when my state had a ballot question asking whether it should be illegal to discriminate against trans people. That shouldn't be something that's voted on.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

Did you ask them what they meant by that? Because again - slogans need to be short.

https://images.dailykos.com/images/889682/story_image/defund.jpg?1606996661

[(Anonymous)]

Slogans also need to not be misleading.

[(Anonymous)]

The whole problem is that it doesn't sound like it needs clarification. How are we meant to assume that "Abolish the police" means anything more than just that?

[nea]

My thoughts exactly!

And no, I'm still not over this seasons ending

OP

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah I'm not over it. It's going to be a long wait for S3! *clutches you*

[(Anonymous)]

I mean...I think this is kind of missing the point. At the end of S1, Aziraphale had just barely gotten away from Heaven, which is presented pretty explicitly as a cult. He has had four years to deprogram after six millennia of being told that he's on the ONLY good side in all this (something he still believes fairly strongly in S1/the book, since he tries to call God to get Her to fix things). Four years? Not a long time, relative to all that.

Not to mention that he came relatively close to not making it out of his bookshop when Hell besieged it; he had to choose, almost literally, the nuclear option. He's fresh off being terrorized by "the bad side," in comparison to which Heaven's veiled threats seem pretty tame. Then in comes the Metatron, sounding perfectly reasonable, doing nice human things to "empathize" with Aziraphale, and he tells Aziraphale that he can fix this. He can make it better. The other Archangels were just doing their jobs wrong, but he can do it right.

I see exactly why he did what he did, and to me, it was him getting pulled back into a cult, not trying to become the police chief.