[ SECRET POST #6175 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #6175 ⌋

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[fscom]

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[(Anonymous)]

Like in Star Wars where the Jedi say that something that happened a couple of hundred years ago is forgotten knowledge. That was within Yoda's own goddamn lifespan. His recent lifespan at that.

[(Anonymous)]

Sometimes it's not even a hundred years, it's really bugging me!

[feotakahari]

I’ve seen it argued from the opposite direction—this empire ruled for a thousand years, and nothing notable happened in the meantime?

[(Anonymous)]

Oh how I feel this! Nothing ruins a world faster for me than an author who thinks a couple hundred years are a super long time. And usually they’re the ones to include long lived races *face!palm*

[(Anonymous)]

Imagine a person from 200 years ago being unceremoniously dropped into our society. Do you suppose they'd feel it had been a super long time?

[(Anonymous)]

Their nineties kids were rocking out to Mozart

[(Anonymous)]

Not really. The basic institutions are social structure is still the same. Okay, we've fancier stuff, but the rich oligarchs and banks still are crushing the poor in the same old ways.

[(Anonymous)]

A few more merchant princes and a few less Royal princes, but yeah.

[(Anonymous)]

That's not really a fair comparison, since we went from the first flight to space flight in 60 years. The better comparison would be, oh, any 200 year span before 1900. Would someone from the 1400s think it had been a long time when dropped unceremoniously into the 1600s? No. Hell, someone from the 1600 bce probably wouldn't even really notice if they were moved to the 1400s bce.

[(Anonymous)]

This! And I’ve never read any SFF set in a world/time of rapid change. The status quo is that the story takes place long before or after all of that.

[(Anonymous)]

Societally, a few hundred years is a long period of time. I can see an argument for cultures where the average lifespan is in centuries, but for your average standard-human culture, not so much. Societies change very fast, often to the point of being practically unrecognisable to even one or two generations back.

[(Anonymous)]

Not only fast but getting progressively faster with exponential development in tech and stuff.

We're living in a magic fantasy world to people from 1623.

[(Anonymous)]

I mean, if you are an American. Maybe.

[(Anonymous)]

I think you greatly underestimate the number of grandparents who are actually part of the Internet age.

Or you're young enough for your grandparents to be like 60 or something.

[(Anonymous)]

Very silly thing to say.

[(Anonymous)]

From what I hear, this is also happening (at least with accents) in England. I imagine accent shifts are a reasonable reflection of other social/technological shifts that are happening.

[(Anonymous)]

Are you suggesting that non-American societies haven’t developed or progressed in the last few centuries?

Because that seems kind of fucked up.

[(Anonymous)]

As opposed to? Certainly, Mumbai has changed significantly since the 1820s.

[(Anonymous)]

Mobile phones are a worldwide thing. Vaccines are a worldwide thing. Guns are a worldwide thing. That's some pretty significant changes. Even the changes to average literacy are huge.

[(Anonymous)]

I can see that for some sci-fi but not any of the fantasy I’ve ever read. And even in sci-fi two hundred years is a very short time and it’s unbelievable that they’d have technology to record events but…just didn’t. As a reader, I need the author to show me why I should believe that.

[(Anonymous)]

I mean we have the technology to record events, and also just... don't, a lot.

A bunch of stuff does get recorded but why would we record everything, especially if nothing special was supposed to happen that day? Lots of world-changing events are surprises and people just don't have cameras rolling at the time because why would they? Then we have to rely on sending out calls for anybody who happened to be filming during The Event then news channels are stuck with bits and pieces of scattered footage, etc.

It's realistic because it's akin to real life?

[(Anonymous)]

Like another anon said, we often decline to record events, despite having the capacity to do so.

But beyond that, there are times when we record events, and then suppress the records. My sister-in-law, who grew up in China, did not know what happened at Tiananmen Square in 1989 until she left the country. We had the technology to record what happened; in fact, we did record what happened. The Chinese government just does what it can to keep its own people from accessing those records.

From that, I would argue that although advanced tech can enhance the ability to record events, it can also enhance the ability to suppress and/or alter them. Consider AI, and deepfakes. Can we really guarantee that people 100 years from now will have access to accurate records about what's going on today, and not records that have been convincingly changed or faked?

All this is to say that I think it's completely believable that a technologically advanced society could have a poor grasp of its own recent history.

[nanslice]

Warhammer 40k has a huge timescale, although the Horus Heresy only lasted 7 years, I think.

[(Anonymous)]

You wish they’d use a geologic time scale. It’s a million years old, plus or minus 10,000 years, so relatively recent, right? Or it’s 2.5 billion years old, which is old. Most people aren’t comfortable thinking in those types of time scales.