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[ SECRET POST #6237 ]

⌈ Secret Post #6237 ⌋

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02. [SPOILERS for Slow Horses season 3]

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03. [WARNING for discussion of rape/non-con in fiction]

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04. [WARNING for inevitable discussion of JKR]

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05. [WARNING for discussion of underage ships, etc]

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06. [WARNING for discussion of non/dub-con]

[Dungeons and Dragons: Honor Among Thieves]

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History inaccuracies in a historical au that I know for a fact is incorrect. Not talking minor stuff, but things that just wouldn't be possible in the timeframe it's set in. Just takes me straight out of a fic. :(

I wished more ppl would do some semblance of research. If the characters talk like they came out of 2024, you're prob doing it wrong.

Yep. This came up in a recent secret, but stories/canons set in 2000 or earlier where characters lecture about gender, sexuality, and mental health topics like they just got out of a 2020s college 101 course on the subject.

NAYRT, but AYRT said "not minor stuff" and I think your example is pretty minor. It's not impossible, some people did talk about those things in that way back then, it just wasn't as mainstream as it is now (source: I was in college in the early 2000s) and in a few more decades it'll count as "close enough," the way characters talking about little things in the early 1900s that weren't mainstream until the 1920s seems today.

I think it depends on setting. If we're talking characters who would have been educated/in character to talk using the terminology then yes of course it works.

If we're talking characters that wouldn't use that same language cause they wouldn't have heard of it, or wouldn't care to use it then yeah it would bug me.

Like the AVG middle aged 40+ guy outside of college isn't gonna be asking about pronouns and stuff in the early 2000s.

Oh no, not again.
Depending on the characters it's not minor. College group of otaku kids? Believable. Even though they wouldn't ask for pronouns. But they would respect them. Probably. Biker dudes in their 50s? Now we are out of minor territory.
Would it matter in the future? Probably not. But right now it's grating

Uh, that's NOT minor??

Like, I have seen within my lifetime, HUGE shifts in how gender and sexuality are discussed, and I am from a small town. It's incredibly jarring to me when I see characters who are living a pre-internet life talking about queer stuff using modern terminology.

Ugh. Yeah nope.

I think the last historical au I tried reading was set in Ww1 and had the British character enlist and become a Captain in 3 years which even with battlefield promotions is insane. It'd be ensign/lieutenant at most. Even at the height of Napoleonic era where it was easier to have enlisted men become an officer (more common than in the 19th century where it was pretty closed to nobility), it would be unheard of. ;-;

Honestly it doesn't take much a Google search to figure this out. Sucks even more cause the fic took itself relatively seriously. I could excuse it if they had historical inaccuracies as a tag or was written as a crack fic.

Or just ones where the author assumes that the characters would have the exact outlook and ideas and habits about things as they themselves do in the current day, or that they would do things that are common now but absolutely were not back in the time the fic is set. I read a lot of bandom fic, much of which is set in the early-mid 2000s, a time when I was a teenager, and sometimes I can absolutely tell that the person writing it was, at most, a very small child at that time and so is unaware of actual social norms of the day. For example, I encountered one set around 2002 or so where (of course) two band members fall in love, and was immediately yanked out of immersion when one of the other band members was like "omg we should get a pride flag to put on the van! :D" like no. No one was doing that in 2002. There were definitely queer folks around back then, but we were NOT waving pride flags all around - you didn't really see those in public spaces except at, like, official pride events. Also, although there were bands with gay members back then ofc, it was something that would get you a lot of negative attention and was not good for your band's reputation or popularity unless being deliberately provocative was your band's whole thing. Putting pride flags on everything has only been a thing for less than a decade at this point, and it seems to be mainly a thing with GenZ, not with older queer people; the mention of it was really jarring for me.

Yeahhh. People ascribing modern day thinking and practices to past events where it really wouldn't be a thing has got to stop.

It's good culture has changed to be more inclusive but really, it hasn't been so long ago that calling someone gay was an acceptable insult. I was a kid during the mid/early 2000s and even then I remember the rampant and acceptable homophobia that existed (and I grew up in a liberal area too).

Yep. I was in college in the early 2000s and even at a Seven Sisters school where we had a large number of out and proud lesbians and bi women people weren't putting pride flags on everything. It just wasn't something you did.

I don't like this, either. It's not like I'm a historian or anything, so if a detail is anachronistic or just plain WRONG enough to show up on my radar, it's not that subtle and ruins my enjoyment of a fic.

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