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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2024-02-29 05:57 pm

[ SECRET POST #6264 ]


⌈ Secret Post #6264 ⌋

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[Fandom: Tiān Guān Cì Fú/Heaven Official's Blessing
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[Music, Drake/Kendrick Lamar beef, What's the Beef? Youtube channel]



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[X-Files s04e10, "Paper Hearts" ]



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(Anonymous) 2024-02-29 11:41 pm (UTC)(link)
It was a simpler time, with a smaller community, and people by those who unironically loved their stories and their community instead of those who were only there to compete with each other in who could be the biggest jerk or push their own little agenda the farthest. These days it'd just be outrage fodder.

God, fandom sucks these days.

(Anonymous) 2024-02-29 11:49 pm (UTC)(link)
It was a simpler time, with a smaller community, and people by those who unironically loved their stories and their community instead of those who were only there to compete with each other in who could be the biggest jerk or push their own little agenda the farthest.

When the fuck was this, the stone age

(Anonymous) 2024-02-29 11:51 pm (UTC)(link)
Before September started.

(Anonymous) 2024-03-01 03:47 am (UTC)(link)
Well, it had to be 1938 at the most recent.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1st_World_Science_Fiction_Convention#Controversy
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[personal profile] kamino_neko 2024-03-01 06:57 am (UTC)(link)
This one (linked from that one) pushes it back to '37. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Futurians

In 1937, after a falling-out with Will Sykora and others, the "Quadrumvirate" went on to found the Futurians. Sykora then founded the Queens Science Fiction League with Sam Moskowitz and James V. Taurasi. Later, the QSFL changed into New Fandom. Pohl said the New Fandom and the Futurians were "Addicted to Feuds", that "No CIA nor KGB ever wrestled so valiantly for the soul of an emerging nation as New Fandom and the Futurians did for science fiction".

(Anonymous) 2024-03-01 07:39 pm (UTC)(link)
I shit you not - the first science fiction fan club ever formed (the Scienceers) held their first meeting on December 11, 1929. They split into two factions following a feud less than a year later.

(Anonymous) 2024-03-01 10:34 am (UTC)(link)
Late 2000s, my friends and I would shoot the shit in threads or PMs and come up with fic ideas. A handful of times they resulted into collab fics.
A couple years ago I got into contact with a fandomer from an old fandom and yeah...ain't the same no more. This person didn't seem keen on collabs.

(Anonymous) 2024-03-01 10:28 pm (UTC)(link)
1999-2010 for me, or roughly that time period. What a fun world that was. It felt like fandom was more of a collaboration than the individualistic mood I see today.

(Anonymous) 2024-03-01 12:37 am (UTC)(link)
I have noticed fan authors being a lot more territorial about their versions these days. I'm not a fan of it.

(Anonymous) 2024-03-01 04:14 am (UTC)(link)
It always strikes me as hilarious and hypocritical.

(Anonymous) 2024-03-01 03:59 am (UTC)(link)
I am always taken aback when I see author notes telling everyone else not to play with their stuff. It's...it's fanfic? It's all about playing with other people's stuff? I do not get it.

A while back I wrote an enormous ridiculous crossover series, and about three different people asked if I would mind if they borrowed my crossover universe to write in. I finally put a note up on my AO3 profile saying for help yourselves to anything that strikes your fancy.

I will admit I was a little pissed off when someone resurrected a fiction I abandoned years ago and wrote an ending for it, but only because they sidelined the main character of my fic (a cat) and wrote a big author note pointing out how the cat did not behave like a real cat. The cat in the story was one of mine, and if I had finished the fic I would have included an author note about my would-be vegetarian, kitten loving old tomcat. I got over it.

(Anonymous) 2024-03-01 07:33 am (UTC)(link)
Cats can't survive on a vegetarian diet, they are obligate carnivores, to put one on one is animal abuse!

(Anonymous) 2024-03-01 10:02 am (UTC)(link)
AYYT -- That's why I said 'would be.' He ate fruit and veg when he could beg or steal it, and I never told him what cat food is made of. But thank you for your performative outrage, it makes me feel like I have really *had* this conversation.

(Anonymous) 2024-03-01 12:42 pm (UTC)(link)
What makes you think it's performative? If you actually had your cat in a vegetarian diet, I can assure that my anger at least would be very real.

(Anonymous) 2024-03-01 07:20 pm (UTC)(link)
NAYRT

It needs be said everytime someone mentions a vegetarian cat. Even if the OP is joking, or if the OP knows better, you can bet at least one idiot reader with a cat starts thinking it is a good idea. There are still too many people trying to give their cats vegetarian, vegan, or even, fuck us all, fruitarian diets because they've been convinced by some idiot on the internet that it is a good idea. And by too many, I mean even one, because even one is two too many. So, yeah, mention it often and every time. And maybe, people, stop making jokes about it too. Somethings always need pushback on.

(Anonymous) 2024-03-01 08:31 pm (UTC)(link)
AYRT--people who just this minute learned the term "obligate carnivore" and think nobody else can possibly have heard it are just exhausting.

(Anonymous) 2024-03-02 07:26 am (UTC)(link)
DA

Who knows if you'll see this because I'm catching up on threads from previous days that I missed, but I agree with you entirely.

(Anonymous) 2024-03-01 10:29 am (UTC)(link)
Funny. Recently, I wondered if it would be OK for me to add in a comment on my author's notes that if anyone wanted to create their own sequel or version of the worldbuilding they are more than welcome. Because I've gotten requests or asks about if I would write more for some fics I've published.
And honestly, I would love to see other writers continue a story or reinterpretation to a story I wrote, especially for fics where I'm satisfied with the story I wrote but a reader is asking for a sequel (mostly because I'm curious where the reader wants/thinks the story will go).

But also, a few years ago a fellow writer in the fandom I was in was friendly to the point we talked in DMs about our writings. It didn't take long for this writer to start acting cagey and they began contributing less in our conversations. I didn't want to believe it was because of them comparing our fics/fic stats but I noticed how their attitude changed and how much more social and nicer they became when one of their fics started doing big numbers and exceeded my popular fic.

I get enough of this weird fucking "I'm silently competing with you" bullshit with my siblings and the few IRL friends I have. I don't need it in my fucking hobbyist spaces.

Legit, the second I get a sniff of this with people in my life I back off and try to keep interactions minimal.

Hard to fucking believe but I do want to see others thrive and be joyful at their hobbies/tasks they do.
But at the same time, I'm not infallible; I also would like patience, grace and support when it comes to my job and/or interests.

I'm not telling you about the good feedback I've gotten to brag. I'm telling you because something made me feel good and I want to share my joy.
I don't know if the people in my life are unaware or just don't care but the ways they react (nonchalance or straight up ignoring) hurts my feelings.
It makes me feel like they don't care about me, and like they even resent/detest me when I'm happy or "doing well".

Also, more than once I've tried to tell my friends/siblings "what you said/did/lack thereof hurt my feelings" and every single time I was met with excuses as to why it's my fault for being too much.
Again, feeling like their feelings matter more than mine.

So yeah, no thanks to collaborations. Most people I've interacted with prioritize competition and it's a big emotional trigger for me and since I can't get past that hurdle, ain't happening any time soon much as I would ideally want it to be a more common thing.

(Anonymous) 2024-03-01 12:56 pm (UTC)(link)
This happens with everyone you interact with?

(Anonymous) 2024-03-01 02:54 pm (UTC)(link)
AYRT

Not everyone but the people things like this have happened with were people in my inner circle. I don’t call someone "friend" quickly.

There are people I am friendly with but I wouldn't consider us as friends. And there are a lot of people in my life I am friendly with but wouldn't consider us close enough to call each other friend.

And not all of my siblings are competitive jerks, just one but that one pits themselves against all of us as well as take up opportunities to try to pit the rest of us against each other. We're all full grown adults now, I wish they'd stop.